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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-RM9K5IK7kjKj5M59NBduVrNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
To: Alex Courbot <acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Zhang <markz-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] pwm-backlight: add subdrivers & Tegra support
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:17:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130122071726.GB14728@avionic-0098.adnet.avionic-design.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6871054.sK10m5bePf@percival>

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On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 05:18:11PM +0900, Alex Courbot wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> 
> On Monday 21 January 2013 15:49:28 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Eventually this should all be covered by the CDF, but since that's not
> > ready yet we want something ad-hoc to get the hardware supported. As
> > such I would like to see this go into some sort of minimalistic, Tegra-
> > specific display/panel framework. I'd prefer to keep the pwm-backlight
> > driver as simple and generic as possible, that is, a driver for a PWM-
> > controlled backlight.
> > 
> > Another advantage of moving this into a sort of display framework is
> > that it may help in defining the requirements for a CDF and that moving
> > the code to the CDF should be easier once it is done.
> > 
> > Last but not least, abstracting away the panel allows other things such
> > as physical dimensions and display modes to be properly encapsulated. I
> > think that power-on/off timing requirements for panels also belong to
> > this set since they are usually specific to a given panel.
> > 
> > Maybe adding these drivers to tegra-drm for now would be a good option.
> > That way the corresponding glue can be added without a need for inter-
> > tree dependencies.
> 
> IIRC (because that was a while ago already) having a Tegra-only display 
> framework is exactly what we wanted to avoid in the first place. This series 
> does nothing but leverage the callbacks mechanism that already exists in pwm-
> backlight and make it available to DT systems. If we start making a Tegra-
> specific solution, then other architectures will have to reinvent the wheel 
> again. I really don't think we want to go that way.
> 
> These patches only makes slight changes to pwm_bl.c and do not extend its 
> capabilities. I agree that a suitable solution will require the CDF, but by 
> the meantime, let's go for the practical route instead of repeating the same 
> mistakes (i.e. architecture-specific frameworks) again.
> 
> There are certainly better ways to do this, but I'm not convinced at all that 
> a Tegra-only solution is one of them.

Well, your proposal is a Tegra-only solution as well. Anything we come
up with now will be Tegra-only because it will eventually be integrated
with the CDF.

Trying to come up with something generic would be counter-productive.
CDF *is* the generic solution. All we would be doing is add a competing
framework.

Thierry

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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>
To: Alex Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mark Zhang <markz@nvidia.com>,
	"gnurou@gmail.com" <gnurou@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] pwm-backlight: add subdrivers & Tegra support
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:17:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130122071726.GB14728@avionic-0098.adnet.avionic-design.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6871054.sK10m5bePf@percival>

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On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 05:18:11PM +0900, Alex Courbot wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> 
> On Monday 21 January 2013 15:49:28 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Eventually this should all be covered by the CDF, but since that's not
> > ready yet we want something ad-hoc to get the hardware supported. As
> > such I would like to see this go into some sort of minimalistic, Tegra-
> > specific display/panel framework. I'd prefer to keep the pwm-backlight
> > driver as simple and generic as possible, that is, a driver for a PWM-
> > controlled backlight.
> > 
> > Another advantage of moving this into a sort of display framework is
> > that it may help in defining the requirements for a CDF and that moving
> > the code to the CDF should be easier once it is done.
> > 
> > Last but not least, abstracting away the panel allows other things such
> > as physical dimensions and display modes to be properly encapsulated. I
> > think that power-on/off timing requirements for panels also belong to
> > this set since they are usually specific to a given panel.
> > 
> > Maybe adding these drivers to tegra-drm for now would be a good option.
> > That way the corresponding glue can be added without a need for inter-
> > tree dependencies.
> 
> IIRC (because that was a while ago already) having a Tegra-only display 
> framework is exactly what we wanted to avoid in the first place. This series 
> does nothing but leverage the callbacks mechanism that already exists in pwm-
> backlight and make it available to DT systems. If we start making a Tegra-
> specific solution, then other architectures will have to reinvent the wheel 
> again. I really don't think we want to go that way.
> 
> These patches only makes slight changes to pwm_bl.c and do not extend its 
> capabilities. I agree that a suitable solution will require the CDF, but by 
> the meantime, let's go for the practical route instead of repeating the same 
> mistakes (i.e. architecture-specific frameworks) again.
> 
> There are certainly better ways to do this, but I'm not convinced at all that 
> a Tegra-only solution is one of them.

Well, your proposal is a Tegra-only solution as well. Anything we come
up with now will be Tegra-only because it will eventually be integrated
with the CDF.

Trying to come up with something generic would be counter-productive.
CDF *is* the generic solution. All we would be doing is add a competing
framework.

Thierry

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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>
To: Alex Courbot <acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Zhang <markz-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] pwm-backlight: add subdrivers & Tegra support
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:17:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130122071726.GB14728@avionic-0098.adnet.avionic-design.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6871054.sK10m5bePf@percival>

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On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 05:18:11PM +0900, Alex Courbot wrote:
> Hi Thierry,
> 
> On Monday 21 January 2013 15:49:28 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Eventually this should all be covered by the CDF, but since that's not
> > ready yet we want something ad-hoc to get the hardware supported. As
> > such I would like to see this go into some sort of minimalistic, Tegra-
> > specific display/panel framework. I'd prefer to keep the pwm-backlight
> > driver as simple and generic as possible, that is, a driver for a PWM-
> > controlled backlight.
> > 
> > Another advantage of moving this into a sort of display framework is
> > that it may help in defining the requirements for a CDF and that moving
> > the code to the CDF should be easier once it is done.
> > 
> > Last but not least, abstracting away the panel allows other things such
> > as physical dimensions and display modes to be properly encapsulated. I
> > think that power-on/off timing requirements for panels also belong to
> > this set since they are usually specific to a given panel.
> > 
> > Maybe adding these drivers to tegra-drm for now would be a good option.
> > That way the corresponding glue can be added without a need for inter-
> > tree dependencies.
> 
> IIRC (because that was a while ago already) having a Tegra-only display 
> framework is exactly what we wanted to avoid in the first place. This series 
> does nothing but leverage the callbacks mechanism that already exists in pwm-
> backlight and make it available to DT systems. If we start making a Tegra-
> specific solution, then other architectures will have to reinvent the wheel 
> again. I really don't think we want to go that way.
> 
> These patches only makes slight changes to pwm_bl.c and do not extend its 
> capabilities. I agree that a suitable solution will require the CDF, but by 
> the meantime, let's go for the practical route instead of repeating the same 
> mistakes (i.e. architecture-specific frameworks) again.
> 
> There are certainly better ways to do this, but I'm not convinced at all that 
> a Tegra-only solution is one of them.

Well, your proposal is a Tegra-only solution as well. Anything we come
up with now will be Tegra-only because it will eventually be integrated
with the CDF.

Trying to come up with something generic would be counter-productive.
CDF *is* the generic solution. All we would be doing is add a competing
framework.

Thierry

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-22  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-19 10:30 [PATCH 0/3] pwm-backlight: add subdrivers & Tegra support Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30 ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] pwm-backlight: add subdriver mechanism Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30   ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] tegra: pwm-backlight: add tegra pwm-bl driver Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30   ` Alexandre Courbot
     [not found]   ` <1358591420-7790-3-git-send-email-acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-21  7:35     ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  7:35       ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  7:35       ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  8:24       ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-21  8:24         ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-21  8:35         ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  8:35           ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  8:35           ` Mark Zhang
     [not found]       ` <50FCEFDE.8000705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-21  8:52         ` Marc Dietrich
2013-01-21  8:52           ` Marc Dietrich
2013-01-21  8:52           ` Marc Dietrich
2013-01-21  8:55           ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  8:55             ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21 17:46     ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-21 17:46       ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-21 17:46       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]       ` <50FD7EF9.1010205-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-22  3:24         ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-22  3:24           ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-22  3:24           ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-22  7:06           ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-22  7:06             ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-23  9:45             ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-23  9:45               ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-24  6:10               ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-24  6:10                 ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-24  6:10                 ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-22 16:30           ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-22 16:30             ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-22 16:30             ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-23 10:15     ` Leela Krishna Amudala
2013-01-23 10:27       ` Leela Krishna Amudala
2013-01-23 10:15       ` Leela Krishna Amudala
     [not found]       ` <CAL1wa8d2BS3RxdsdUyCqF20ZKe46jUZcfUKitnpP9Lgb9aB5hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-23 10:29         ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-23 10:29           ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-23 10:29           ` Alex Courbot
     [not found] ` <1358591420-7790-1-git-send-email-acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-19 10:30   ` [PATCH 3/3] tegra: ventana: of: add host1x device to DT Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30     ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-19 10:30     ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-20  3:38   ` [PATCH 0/3] pwm-backlight: add subdrivers & Tegra support Mark Zhang
2013-01-20  3:38     ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-20  3:38     ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-20  5:26     ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-20  5:26       ` Alexandre Courbot
2013-01-20  5:51       ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-20  5:51         ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  2:09   ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  2:09     ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  2:09     ` Mark Zhang
     [not found]     ` <50FCA346.2070608-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-21  2:59       ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  2:59         ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  2:59         ` Mark Zhang
2013-01-21  7:49 ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-21  7:49   ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]   ` <20130121074928.GE15508-RM9K5IK7kjIyiCvfTdI0JKcOhU4Rzj621B7CTYaBSLdn68oJJulU0Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-21  8:18     ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-21  8:18       ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-21  8:18       ` Alex Courbot
2013-01-22  7:17       ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2013-01-22  7:17         ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-22  7:17         ` Thierry Reding

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