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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] memcg: remove memcg from the reclaim iterators
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:38:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130213103811.GC23562@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <511B4ACF.90209@parallels.com>

On Wed 13-02-13 12:11:59, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 02/12/2013 09:37 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> >> > All reads from root->dead_count are atomic already, so I am not sure
> >> > what you mean here. Anyway, I hope I won't make this even more confusing
> >> > if I post what I have right now:
> > Yes, but we are doing two reads.  Can't the memcg that we'll store in
> > last_visited be offlined during this and be freed after we drop the
> > rcu read lock?  If we had just one read, we would detect this
> > properly.
> > 
> 
> I don't want to add any more confusion to an already fun discussion, but
> IIUC, you are trying to avoid triggering a second round of reclaim in an
> already dead memcg, right?

No this is not about the second round of the reclaim but rather
iteration racing with removal. And we want to do it as lightweight as
possible. We cannot work with memcg directly because it might have
disappeared in the mean time and we do not want to hold a reference on
it because there would be no guarantee somebody will release it later
on. So mark_dead && test_and_clear_dead would not work in this context.
[...]
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] memcg: remove memcg from the reclaim iterators
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:38:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130213103811.GC23562@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <511B4ACF.90209@parallels.com>

On Wed 13-02-13 12:11:59, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 02/12/2013 09:37 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> >> > All reads from root->dead_count are atomic already, so I am not sure
> >> > what you mean here. Anyway, I hope I won't make this even more confusing
> >> > if I post what I have right now:
> > Yes, but we are doing two reads.  Can't the memcg that we'll store in
> > last_visited be offlined during this and be freed after we drop the
> > rcu read lock?  If we had just one read, we would detect this
> > properly.
> > 
> 
> I don't want to add any more confusion to an already fun discussion, but
> IIUC, you are trying to avoid triggering a second round of reclaim in an
> already dead memcg, right?

No this is not about the second round of the reclaim but rather
iteration racing with removal. And we want to do it as lightweight as
possible. We cannot work with memcg directly because it might have
disappeared in the mean time and we do not want to hold a reference on
it because there would be no guarantee somebody will release it later
on. So mark_dead && test_and_clear_dead would not work in this context.
[...]
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-13 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-03 17:54 [PATCH v3 0/7] rework mem_cgroup iterator Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] memcg: synchronize per-zone iterator access by a spinlock Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] memcg: keep prev's css alive for the whole mem_cgroup_iter Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] memcg: rework mem_cgroup_iter to use cgroup iterators Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] memcg: remove memcg from the reclaim iterators Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-07  6:18   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-01-07  6:18     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2013-02-08 19:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-08 19:33     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 15:16     ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 15:16       ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 17:56       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 17:56         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 19:29         ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 19:29           ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 19:58           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 19:58             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 21:27             ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 21:27               ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 22:07               ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 22:07                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-11 22:39               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-11 22:39                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12  9:54                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12  9:54                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 15:10                   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 15:10                     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 15:43                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 15:43                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:10                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-12 16:10                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-12 17:25                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 17:25                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 18:31                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-12 18:31                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-02-12 19:53                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 19:53                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-13  9:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-13  9:51                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 17:56                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 17:56                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:13                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:13                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:24                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:24                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:37                           ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:37                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 16:41                             ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 17:12                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 17:12                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 17:37                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 17:37                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-13  8:11                                 ` Glauber Costa
2013-02-13  8:11                                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-02-13 10:38                                   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2013-02-13 10:38                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-13 10:34                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-13 10:34                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-13 12:56                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-13 12:56                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-02-12 16:33                       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-02-12 16:33                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] memcg: simplify mem_cgroup_iter Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] memcg: further " Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] cgroup: remove css_get_next Michal Hocko
2013-01-03 17:54   ` Michal Hocko
2013-01-04  3:42   ` Li Zefan
2013-01-04  3:42     ` Li Zefan
2013-01-23 12:52 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] rework mem_cgroup iterator Michal Hocko
2013-01-23 12:52   ` Michal Hocko

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