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From: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:31:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130219193122.GJ5724@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130219182257.GV17852@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [130219 10:26]:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 08:30:53AM -0800, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [130219 07:49]:
> > > If you want such things as pci_enable_device(), then what you're actually
> > > asking for is omap_enable_device() for OMAP devices.  OMAP devices are
> > > already specific enough to OMAP SoCs (god knows, they have really complex
> > > and obscure behaviours that no one else in their right mind would want
> > > to copy) that calling out to omap specific functions would never really
> > > be a problem.
> > 
> > I'd rather avoid adding omap_enable_device() calls to drivers as we really
> > want to keep the drivers generic. But maybe there could be some generic
> > bus_enable_device() function pointer that could be populated by the bus
> > code during init.
> 
> What you're not getting is that pci_enable_device() is a PCI thing which
> is mostly a no-op - and where it isn't a no-op, it's something that must
> be done _before_ PCI resources are used or even reserved (because
> conceptually, this is to do with getting the resources correct.)
> 
> The PCI case is:
> 
> pci_device_probe(pci_dev)
> {
> 	pci_enable_device(pci_dev);
> 
> 	pci_request_regions(pci_dev);
> 
> 	regs = pci_iomap(pci_dev, BAR, size);
> ...
> }
> 
> That's different from what you're wanting on OMAP - what you're wanting
> there is some way to record the platform device has been ioremapped, so
> that you can then fiddle with its idle/reset register from "bus" code.
> 
> If you think about it in light of the above sequence, the "enable device"
> stage *doesn't* suit your needs because that happens before the driver
> has done anything.

Right.. that won't help then. It sounds like the proper place would
be something like pm_runtime_init() as these register manage things
like autoidle etc.
 
> However... if you think you're going to get away with another total
> rewrite of OMAP device support away from hwmod to a new scheme with a
> new load of huge churn, think again.  Remember, churn is evil.  I've
> complained to you about the amount of churn that OMAP manufactures
> in the past.  Linus has complained about it too.  You can't continue
> like this.

I don't think there's any churn needed here if done properly. It's
mostly a question of dropping duplicate data from hwmod that we
already have available in device tree. That means we can shrink the
hwmod data needed.

Regards,

Tony

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: tony@atomide.com (Tony Lindgren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:31:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130219193122.GJ5724@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130219182257.GV17852@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [130219 10:26]:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 08:30:53AM -0800, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> [130219 07:49]:
> > > If you want such things as pci_enable_device(), then what you're actually
> > > asking for is omap_enable_device() for OMAP devices.  OMAP devices are
> > > already specific enough to OMAP SoCs (god knows, they have really complex
> > > and obscure behaviours that no one else in their right mind would want
> > > to copy) that calling out to omap specific functions would never really
> > > be a problem.
> > 
> > I'd rather avoid adding omap_enable_device() calls to drivers as we really
> > want to keep the drivers generic. But maybe there could be some generic
> > bus_enable_device() function pointer that could be populated by the bus
> > code during init.
> 
> What you're not getting is that pci_enable_device() is a PCI thing which
> is mostly a no-op - and where it isn't a no-op, it's something that must
> be done _before_ PCI resources are used or even reserved (because
> conceptually, this is to do with getting the resources correct.)
> 
> The PCI case is:
> 
> pci_device_probe(pci_dev)
> {
> 	pci_enable_device(pci_dev);
> 
> 	pci_request_regions(pci_dev);
> 
> 	regs = pci_iomap(pci_dev, BAR, size);
> ...
> }
> 
> That's different from what you're wanting on OMAP - what you're wanting
> there is some way to record the platform device has been ioremapped, so
> that you can then fiddle with its idle/reset register from "bus" code.
> 
> If you think about it in light of the above sequence, the "enable device"
> stage *doesn't* suit your needs because that happens before the driver
> has done anything.

Right.. that won't help then. It sounds like the proper place would
be something like pm_runtime_init() as these register manage things
like autoidle etc.
 
> However... if you think you're going to get away with another total
> rewrite of OMAP device support away from hwmod to a new scheme with a
> new load of huge churn, think again.  Remember, churn is evil.  I've
> complained to you about the amount of churn that OMAP manufactures
> in the past.  Linus has complained about it too.  You can't continue
> like this.

I don't think there's any churn needed here if done properly. It's
mostly a question of dropping duplicate data from hwmod that we
already have available in device tree. That means we can shrink the
hwmod data needed.

Regards,

Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-19 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-14 11:15 [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 1/3] arm: omap: use generic implementation if !od Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:15 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:15 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 17:12     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 17:56     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:56       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 18:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 18:12         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 19:27         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 19:27           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 19:39           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 19:39             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 20:47             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 20:47               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:40               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:40                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 22:47                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 22:47                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15  6:46                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:46                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:29                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15  7:29                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-19 15:30                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:30                     ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:45                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 15:45                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 16:30                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:30                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 18:22                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 18:22                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 19:31                           ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2013-02-19 19:31                             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 19:43                             ` hwmod data duplication (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency) Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:43                               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:09                               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:09                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:22                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:22                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:31                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:31                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:51                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:51                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 10:26                 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 10:26                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 21:56               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:56                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 22:22               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 22:22                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15  6:53                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:53                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:27                   ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-15  7:27                     ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-19 15:27                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:27                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 16:38                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:38                     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:57                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 16:57                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 17:43                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 17:43                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 18:34                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 18:34                           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:16                     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:16                       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:32                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:32                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:50                         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:50                           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 20:10                           ` OMAP reset requirements (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency) ^[:x Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 20:10                             ` OMAP reset requirements (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency)^[:x Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 20:25                             ` OMAP reset requirements Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 20:25                               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-20  6:26                       ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-20  6:26                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15  6:44               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:44                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:27                 ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-15  7:27                   ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-20 17:38                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 17:38                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 19:16                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-20 19:16                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-20 20:03                     ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 20:03                       ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 20:37                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-20 20:37                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 10:16                     ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-02-21 10:16                       ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-02-21 12:09                       ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-21 12:09                         ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-15 10:16               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 10:16                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:26                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:26                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:27                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:27                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:31                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:31                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 16:30                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15 16:30                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15 16:42                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:42                           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  6:01                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  6:01                             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  8:55                             ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  8:55                               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:17                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  9:17                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  9:22                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:22                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:31                                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  9:31                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18 15:27                               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-18 15:27                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-16  5:31                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:31                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:36                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-16  5:36                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-16  5:48                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:48                             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18  8:08                             ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-18  8:08                               ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-18  8:28                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18  8:28                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 15:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 15:40     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 16:03     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:03       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  4:59     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  4:59       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18 14:52       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-18 14:52         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-14 11:15 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 3/3] arm: boot: dts: omap: remove ti_hwmods from UART ports Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:20 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 1/3] arm: omap: use generic implementation if !od Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 11:20   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 17:57   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:57     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 15:28 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 15:28   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 16:04   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:04     ` Felipe Balbi

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