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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	lpoetter-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	dhaval.giani-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	workman-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Workman-devel] cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:46:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130408194630.GH28292@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130408192024.GL3021-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:20:24PM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:

[..]
> > For example, one might want to say that maximum IO bandwidth for 
> > virtual machine virt1 on disk sda should be 10MB/s. Now libvirt
> > should be able to save it in virtual machine specific configuration
> > easily and whenever virtual machine is started, create a children
> > cgroup, set the limits as specified.
> 
> Yes, sure, libvirt can *request* whatever it seems appropriate to the
> central authority, which will decide whether it'll be able to honor
> the request and grant it if possible and allowed by policies in
> effect.

10MB/s is an absolute limit. So I guess there is nothing to be requested
from an central authority here in terms of resources.

Even in the case of IO weight or cpu shares, there is nothing to be asked
from central authority. Well, there is. Creation of new croups changes
effective %share of peer groups. More below.

Where it makes sense though is if one says give a particular service
25% cpu. Then suddenly all the peer and parent entities become important.
IIUC, initial draft of workman does not address this issue.

It would be good to think more about it. How a user can ensure minimum
resources to a partition/service. Because in that case at every level
somebody needs to keep track how much of resources have been committed
as minimum requirements and more consumers can't be allowed at same level.
(This sounds like cpu RT time division among various cgroups).

Thanks
Vivek

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	bsingharora@gmail.com, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	lpoetter@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dhaval.giani@gmail.com, workman-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Workman-devel] cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 15:46:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130408194630.GH28292@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130408192024.GL3021@htj.dyndns.org>

On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:20:24PM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:

[..]
> > For example, one might want to say that maximum IO bandwidth for 
> > virtual machine virt1 on disk sda should be 10MB/s. Now libvirt
> > should be able to save it in virtual machine specific configuration
> > easily and whenever virtual machine is started, create a children
> > cgroup, set the limits as specified.
> 
> Yes, sure, libvirt can *request* whatever it seems appropriate to the
> central authority, which will decide whether it'll be able to honor
> the request and grant it if possible and allowed by policies in
> effect.

10MB/s is an absolute limit. So I guess there is nothing to be requested
from an central authority here in terms of resources.

Even in the case of IO weight or cpu shares, there is nothing to be asked
from central authority. Well, there is. Creation of new croups changes
effective %share of peer groups. More below.

Where it makes sense though is if one says give a particular service
25% cpu. Then suddenly all the peer and parent entities become important.
IIUC, initial draft of workman does not address this issue.

It would be good to think more about it. How a user can ensure minimum
resources to a partition/service. Because in that case at every level
somebody needs to keep track how much of resources have been committed
as minimum requirements and more consumers can't be allowed at same level.
(This sounds like cpu RT time division among various cgroups).

Thanks
Vivek

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-08 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-06  1:21 cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts Tejun Heo
2013-04-06  1:21 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20130406012159.GA17159-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 13:46   ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-08 13:46     ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-08 23:32     ` Lennart Poettering
2013-04-08 23:32       ` Lennart Poettering
2013-04-09  7:37       ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09  7:37         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]       ` <51635371.7070104-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09  7:37         ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09 19:11         ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:11           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <5162CA21.4060108-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:00       ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 18:00         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 18:26       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:26         ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 23:32       ` Lennart Poettering
2013-04-08 17:59   ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 17:59     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20130408175925.GE28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:16       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:16         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130408181607.GI3021-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:49           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:49             ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 19:11           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 19:11             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20130408191105.GG28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 19:20               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 19:20                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20130408192024.GL3021-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 19:46                   ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2013-04-08 19:46                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 20:02                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 20:02                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20130408194630.GH28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 20:02                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09  9:50   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-04-09  9:50     ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]     ` <20130409095024.GI25576-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 19:38       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:38         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130409193851.GJ6186-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 19:46           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:46             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20130409194640.GK6186-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 21:04               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-04-09 21:04                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-04-09 21:11                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:11                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:11                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-16 11:17   ` Li Zefan
2013-04-22 21:26   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-16 11:17 ` Li Zefan
2013-04-16 11:17   ` Li Zefan
     [not found]   ` <516D333D.4040703-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-16 17:10     ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-16 17:10       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-17  1:29       ` Li Zefan
2013-04-17  1:29         ` Li Zefan
     [not found]       ` <20130416171056.GA2874-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-17  1:29         ` Li Zefan
2013-04-22 21:26 ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 21:26   ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]   ` <CAAAKZwvh_R2Xz--bmSLiN33fsqKanOJMq_6+6hoFWFRx38O4gA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 21:41     ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-22 21:41       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20130422214159.GG12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 22:33         ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 22:33       ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 22:33         ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]         ` <CAAAKZwuXJwwyj7KSqb7rZ+nrTwBWEaUCWfa7kWecTBnHL8koGw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-22 23:13           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-22 23:13         ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-22 23:13           ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]           ` <CAAAKZwvP_7wBBYMmtFuiE2hZt=ByaLrnTyiR83CZr3OMip63Gg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-25  0:01             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-25  0:01               ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-25  4:07               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-25  4:07                 ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                 ` <CAAAKZwt09k-qUwLCnMpAQeYJ-S0XtkjXe4=bJ-G_fcrkAqEzoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-26 21:20                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-26 21:20                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27  0:06                     ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  0:06                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-26 23:14                       ` David Lang
     [not found]                       ` <CAAAKZws1qkSik4G4pRr7z+067Jp9-jHfpx9-euqbvmdHjoN_Zg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-26 23:14                         ` David Lang
2013-06-27  1:04                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27  1:04                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20130627010427.GF4536-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27  3:42                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  3:42                               ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                               ` <CAAAKZwsMT7FRccyVxSn77GR8+9JsSeqmDO6oOy7ycNCY7Desnw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 17:38                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 17:38                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 20:46                                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 20:46                                     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                     ` <CAAAKZwvabGRsce43ymru7OBr0LX93DRnTVkzn-nhahTR6yMUZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 21:04                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 21:04                                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20130627210445.GA22860-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 18:44                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:44                                             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                             ` <CAAAKZwtOnpATCmRcOpsXaLZ8sQDs2Z=iZb8FrqG=bajNAOBnRg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-29 16:40                                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-29 16:40                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-03 21:53                                                 ` Luke Leighton
     [not found]                                   ` <20130627173809.GB5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 20:46                                     ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 21:38                                   ` Luke Leighton
2015-03-03 21:17                           ` Luke Leighton
2015-03-04  5:08                             ` David Lang
2015-03-04 11:27                               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2015-03-04 20:08                                 ` David Lang
     [not found]                     ` <20130626212047.GB4536-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27  0:06                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  5:45                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-27  5:45                     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-27  5:45                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-27 13:22                       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 13:22                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 15:29                         ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 15:29                         ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 15:29                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 16:18                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 16:18                             ` Serge Hallyn
2015-03-03 22:00                             ` Luke Leighton
     [not found]                           ` <CAAAKZwt9QdddFrEjvdBsi3sbQXScKyzY=vZpYXqTwjGUebH1Ag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 16:18                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 17:48                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 17:48                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20130627174850.GC5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 18:14                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:14                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:14                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:45                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:45                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                               ` <20130627184541.GA6400-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 18:51                                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:51                               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:51                                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:52                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:52                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:52                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 20:52                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 20:52                               ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 22:08                           ` Luke Leighton
2013-06-28  9:09                         ` [Workman-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2013-06-28  9:09                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-06-28 15:53                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 15:53                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 18:58                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:58                               ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 22:20                             ` Luke Leighton
     [not found]                           ` <20130628090910.GB2507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 15:53                             ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]                       ` <1372311907.5871.78.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 13:22                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:01                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:01                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:01                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  3:46                         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  3:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                           ` <1372391198.5989.110.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  4:09                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  4:09                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  4:09                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  4:49                             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  4:49                               ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                               ` <1372394950.5989.128.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  5:01                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  5:01                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  5:01                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20130628050138.GD2500-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  6:00                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  6:00                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28 15:05                                   ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 15:05                                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 15:05                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                   ` <20130628150513.GD5125-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 18:01                                     ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-06-28 18:01                                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                       ` <20130628180155.GD16483-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:59                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-06-28 19:59                                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                           ` <20130628195917.GG2507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 22:40                                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 22:40                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 22:40                                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 22:43                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 22:43                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 22:43                                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-30 18:38                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-30 18:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-30 18:38                                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                         ` <20130630183838.GB23731-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-15 18:49                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-07-15 18:49                                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                             ` <20130715184940.GG27338-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-23 14:48                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-23 14:48                                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-23 14:48                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 18:30                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 18:30                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 18:53                                     ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:53                                       ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                       ` <CAAAKZwtqYe-c0bfkgHFbzsOKVHifjTwkqcpci=uS1JwqS9TJHQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:01                                         ` Vrijendra (वृजेन्द्र) Gokhale
2013-06-29  1:48                                         ` Lennart Poettering
2013-06-29  1:48                                           ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                           ` <51CE3CE0.9010506-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-29  3:05                                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-29  3:05                                               ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                               ` <CAAAKZwuzhSzPj99HZW=KD4emGXZbcsjsUu=+TCpafhs9MKD2JA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-30 19:39                                                 ` Lennart Poettering
2013-06-30 19:39                                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2013-07-02 23:57                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-02 23:57                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307030021480.4013-3cz04HxQygjZikZi3RtOZ1XZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  0:44                                                       ` Kay Sievers
2013-07-03 17:11                                                       ` James Bottomley
2013-07-03  0:44                                                     ` Kay Sievers
2013-07-03  0:44                                                       ` Kay Sievers
2013-07-03  7:37                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  7:37                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  9:30                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-03  9:30                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-09 23:12                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-09 23:12                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]                                                       ` <CAPXgP12AyogbFX_hPPmQD5GFG0-+_crsnHF3epDZSRds3-WNtQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  7:37                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  9:30                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-09 23:12                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-03 17:11                                                     ` James Bottomley
2013-07-03 17:11                                                       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                                   ` <51D08976.6040005-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-01  6:06                                                     ` Tim Hockin
2013-07-01  6:06                                                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-07-02 23:57                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                             ` <20130628040930.GC2500-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  4:49                               ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                         ` <20130627180143.GD5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  3:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28 19:18                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-06-28 19:18                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                             ` <51CDE18E.8080009-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:36                               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 19:36                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 19:36                               ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20130625000118.GT1918-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-25  4:07                 ` Tim Hockin

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