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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/13] Adding SPDIF support to kirkwood-i2s
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:59:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130805185922.GC9858@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51FFEB97.30004@gmail.com>


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On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 08:14:47PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote:
> On 08/05/2013 06:59 PM, Mark Brown wrote:

> >The clocking arrangements are an example of why the boards can get
> >interesting enough to describe for themselves.

> I understand there are complex arrangements, I still don't think that
> you need a global super-node to describe them. Anyway, I am not voting
> against a super-node.

Please look back through the list archives, we've been round this loop
repeatedly.

> >>Also, all those "nvidia," properties would have fit very well into the
> >>i2s controller node

> >No, almost none of them have any place there.  For example, the audio
> >routing contains only connections to the CODEC so the I2S controller
> >isn't in play, the headphone detection is connected to the AP but isn't
> >connected to the I2S port.

> From a quick look in tegra30_hub.h, I can see configuration registers
> i2s formatting. I assume that i2s controller on Tegra can therefore
> directly connected to a I2S codec, can't it? Then, with an existing i2s
> node and an existing codec node - why is there no place to link both?

At a minimum we'd need to figure out which end of the link to put it on
and what to do about multi-drop links or links which share some or all
of the clocks but have split data lines.

> I can think of use cases that are hard to describe in a link-to-link
> way, but none of them really requires a super-node nor special
> board-specific compatible strings. With that we can just have the root
> DT node be compatible with Beaver above and register all the old
> platform_device way.

It's just plain good practice to have some way to figure out which board
we're running on.

> [...]
> >>I learned to never match "device nodes" with "drivers" as there
> >>is simply no relation between them.

> >That's clearly a thinko for device node.

> I assume with "thinko" you mean "thought wrong" - IMHO the above
> statement is very true. If it wouldn't, why not just have a node for
> kirkwood-dma and kirkwood-i2s instead of merging the drivers?
> You think that will also be accepted by DT maintainers?

We don't have a node for the DMA driver because it's just a software
wrapper for the DMA controller.  We do have a node for the board because
it's an actual physical thing that we can point at, the board driver is
representing the audio subsystem schematic.

> > From my point of view I'd rather not be shoving vendor prefixes on all
> >the properties, this is coming from DT convention requiring vendor
> >prefixes on bindings.

> I understand that those vendor prefixes are part of the helper
> functions of ASoC. But no other subsystem has a similar approach but

No?  I can't parse what you're saying here at all.

> though of properties generic enough to help drivers find what they
> need to know. Either ASoC is mis-interpreting the vendor-prefix
> requirement - or all other subsystems are.

This isn't me, this is people like Stephen (who's one of the DT
guys...).

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From: broonie@kernel.org (Mark Brown)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC 00/13] Adding SPDIF support to kirkwood-i2s
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:59:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130805185922.GC9858@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51FFEB97.30004@gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 08:14:47PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote:
> On 08/05/2013 06:59 PM, Mark Brown wrote:

> >The clocking arrangements are an example of why the boards can get
> >interesting enough to describe for themselves.

> I understand there are complex arrangements, I still don't think that
> you need a global super-node to describe them. Anyway, I am not voting
> against a super-node.

Please look back through the list archives, we've been round this loop
repeatedly.

> >>Also, all those "nvidia," properties would have fit very well into the
> >>i2s controller node

> >No, almost none of them have any place there.  For example, the audio
> >routing contains only connections to the CODEC so the I2S controller
> >isn't in play, the headphone detection is connected to the AP but isn't
> >connected to the I2S port.

> From a quick look in tegra30_hub.h, I can see configuration registers
> i2s formatting. I assume that i2s controller on Tegra can therefore
> directly connected to a I2S codec, can't it? Then, with an existing i2s
> node and an existing codec node - why is there no place to link both?

At a minimum we'd need to figure out which end of the link to put it on
and what to do about multi-drop links or links which share some or all
of the clocks but have split data lines.

> I can think of use cases that are hard to describe in a link-to-link
> way, but none of them really requires a super-node nor special
> board-specific compatible strings. With that we can just have the root
> DT node be compatible with Beaver above and register all the old
> platform_device way.

It's just plain good practice to have some way to figure out which board
we're running on.

> [...]
> >>I learned to never match "device nodes" with "drivers" as there
> >>is simply no relation between them.

> >That's clearly a thinko for device node.

> I assume with "thinko" you mean "thought wrong" - IMHO the above
> statement is very true. If it wouldn't, why not just have a node for
> kirkwood-dma and kirkwood-i2s instead of merging the drivers?
> You think that will also be accepted by DT maintainers?

We don't have a node for the DMA driver because it's just a software
wrapper for the DMA controller.  We do have a node for the board because
it's an actual physical thing that we can point at, the board driver is
representing the audio subsystem schematic.

> > From my point of view I'd rather not be shoving vendor prefixes on all
> >the properties, this is coming from DT convention requiring vendor
> >prefixes on bindings.

> I understand that those vendor prefixes are part of the helper
> functions of ASoC. But no other subsystem has a similar approach but

No?  I can't parse what you're saying here at all.

> though of properties generic enough to help drivers find what they
> need to know. Either ASoC is mis-interpreting the vendor-prefix
> requirement - or all other subsystems are.

This isn't me, this is people like Stephen (who's one of the DT
guys...).
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Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-04 19:21 [PATCH RFC 00/13] Adding SPDIF support to kirkwood-i2s Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-04 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-04 19:22 ` [PATCH RFC 01/13] ASoC: kirkwood: merge struct kirkwood_dma_priv with struct kirkwood_dma_data Russell King
2013-08-04 19:22   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 14:49   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 14:49     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:23 ` [PATCH RFC 02/13] ASoC: kirkwood: use devm_clk_get() for the external clock Russell King
2013-08-04 19:23   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 16:16   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 16:16     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:24 ` [PATCH RFC 03/13] ASoC: avoid duplicated DAI routes Russell King
2013-08-04 19:24   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 16:18   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 16:18     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:25 ` [PATCH RFC 04/13] ASoC: HACK: avoid creating duplicated widgets Russell King
2013-08-04 19:25   ` Russell King
2013-08-04 19:26 ` [PATCH RFC 05/13] ASoC: kirkwood: provide KIRKWOOD_PLAYCTL_ENABLE_MASK Russell King
2013-08-04 19:26   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 17:03   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 17:03     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:27 ` [PATCH RFC 06/13] ASoC: kirkwood: combine kirkwood-i2s and kirkwood-dma drivers Russell King
2013-08-04 19:27   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 10:13   ` Jean-Francois Moine
2013-08-05 10:13     ` Jean-Francois Moine
2013-08-05 10:20     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 10:20       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 17:04   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 17:04     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:28 ` [PATCH RFC 07/13] ASoC: kirkwood: move calculation of max buffer size to kirkwood.h Russell King
2013-08-04 19:28   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 17:07   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 17:07     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:29 ` [PATCH RFC 08/13] ASoC: kirkwood: add DAPM widgets for input and output routing Russell King
2013-08-04 19:29   ` Russell King
2013-08-04 19:30 ` [PATCH RFC 09/13] ASoC: kirkwood-openrd: add DAPM links between codec and cpu DAI Russell King
2013-08-04 19:30   ` Russell King
2013-08-04 19:31 ` [PATCH RFC 10/13] ASoC: kirkwood-t5325: " Russell King
2013-08-04 19:31   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 11:27   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 11:27     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 11:33     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 11:33       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 14:40       ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 14:40         ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 14:56         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 14:56           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 20:32           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 20:32             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 22:06             ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 22:06               ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 23:30               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 23:30                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-06 13:32                 ` Mark Brown
2013-08-06 13:32                   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-10 16:11                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-10 16:11                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-10 21:13                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-10 21:13                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-12  7:40                       ` Liam Girdwood
2013-08-12  7:40                         ` [alsa-devel] " Liam Girdwood
2013-08-12  8:28                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-12  8:28                           ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-13 14:59                           ` Liam Girdwood
2013-08-13 14:59                             ` [alsa-devel] " Liam Girdwood
2013-08-20 10:25                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 10:25                               ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 11:44                               ` Mark Brown
2013-08-20 11:44                                 ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-20 11:49                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 11:49                                   ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 13:31                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 13:31                                     ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 18:50                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-20 18:50                                       ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-20 20:18                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-20 20:18                                         ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-22 19:22                                         ` Liam Girdwood
2013-08-22 19:22                                           ` [alsa-devel] " Liam Girdwood
2013-08-22 20:16                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-22 20:16                                             ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-23 12:13                                             ` Liam Girdwood
2013-08-23 12:13                                               ` [alsa-devel] " Liam Girdwood
2013-08-23 12:58                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-23 12:58                                                 ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-23 16:58                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-08-23 16:58                                                   ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-23 17:45                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-23 17:45                                                     ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-28  1:22                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-28  1:22                                                       ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-29 21:12                                                     ` Liam Girdwood
2013-08-30 11:27                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-30 11:27                                                         ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-30 16:10                                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-30 16:10                                                           ` [alsa-devel] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-11 12:36                     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-11 12:36                       ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:32 ` [PATCH RFC 11/13] ASoC: spdif_transceiver: add output pin widget Russell King
2013-08-04 19:32   ` Russell King
2013-08-05 11:33   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 11:33     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-04 19:33 ` [PATCH RFC 12/13] ASoC: kirkwood: add SPDIF output support Russell King
2013-08-04 19:33   ` Russell King
2013-08-04 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 13/13] ASoC: kirkwood: add IEC958 channel status support Russell King
2013-08-04 19:34   ` Russell King
2013-08-04 21:45 ` [PATCH RFC 00/13] Adding SPDIF support to kirkwood-i2s Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-04 21:45   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05  8:43   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-08-05  8:43     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-08-05  8:53     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05  8:53       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05  9:06       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-08-05  9:06         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-08-05 11:59   ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 11:59     ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 13:06     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 13:06       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 14:07       ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 14:07         ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 15:04         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 15:04           ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 16:59           ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 16:59             ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 18:14             ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 18:14               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-08-05 18:59               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2013-08-05 18:59                 ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 22:47           ` Stephen Warren
2013-08-05 22:47             ` [alsa-devel] " Stephen Warren
2013-08-05 14:10       ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2013-08-05 14:10         ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2013-08-05 15:03         ` Mark Brown
2013-08-05 15:03           ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-06  0:02         ` Kuninori Morimoto
2013-08-06  0:02           ` [alsa-devel] " Kuninori Morimoto
2013-08-30  7:20           ` Kuninori Morimoto
2013-08-30  7:20             ` [alsa-devel] " Kuninori Morimoto
2013-08-30  8:26             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2013-08-30  8:26               ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2013-08-30  9:56               ` Mark Brown
2013-08-30  9:56                 ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2013-08-05 14:59       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-08-05 14:59         ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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