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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:31:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130813133135.3b580af557d1457e4ee8331a@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130813201958.GA28996@mtj.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:19:58 -0400 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:35:12PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I don't know how lots-of-kmallocs compares with alloc_percpu()
> > performance-wise.
> 
> If this is actually performance sensitive,

I've always assumed that it isn't performance-sensitive. 
schedule_on_each_cpu() has to be slow as a dog.

Then again, why does this patchset exist?  It's a performance
optimisation so presumably someone cares.  But not enough to perform
actual measurements :(

> the logical thing to do
> would be pre-allocating per-cpu buffers instead of depending on
> dynamic allocation.  Do the invocations need to be stackable?

schedule_on_each_cpu() calls should if course happen concurrently, and
there's the question of whether we wish to permit async
schedule_on_each_cpu().  Leaving the calling CPU twiddling thumbs until
everyone has finished is pretty sad if the caller doesn't want that.

> > That being said, the `cpumask_var_t mask' which was added to
> > lru_add_drain_all() is unneeded - it's just a temporary storage which
> > can be eliminated by creating a schedule_on_each_cpu_cond() or whatever
> > which is passed a function pointer of type `bool (*call_needed)(int
> > cpu, void *data)'.
> 
> I'd really like to avoid that.  Decision callbacks tend to get abused
> quite often and it's rather sad to do that because cpumask cannot be
> prepared and passed around.  Can't it just preallocate all necessary
> resources?

I don't recall seeing such abuse.  It's a very common and powerful
tool, and not implementing it because some dummy may abuse it weakens
the API for all non-dummies.  That allocation is simply unneeded.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:31:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130813133135.3b580af557d1457e4ee8331a@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130813201958.GA28996@mtj.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:19:58 -0400 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:35:12PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I don't know how lots-of-kmallocs compares with alloc_percpu()
> > performance-wise.
> 
> If this is actually performance sensitive,

I've always assumed that it isn't performance-sensitive. 
schedule_on_each_cpu() has to be slow as a dog.

Then again, why does this patchset exist?  It's a performance
optimisation so presumably someone cares.  But not enough to perform
actual measurements :(

> the logical thing to do
> would be pre-allocating per-cpu buffers instead of depending on
> dynamic allocation.  Do the invocations need to be stackable?

schedule_on_each_cpu() calls should if course happen concurrently, and
there's the question of whether we wish to permit async
schedule_on_each_cpu().  Leaving the calling CPU twiddling thumbs until
everyone has finished is pretty sad if the caller doesn't want that.

> > That being said, the `cpumask_var_t mask' which was added to
> > lru_add_drain_all() is unneeded - it's just a temporary storage which
> > can be eliminated by creating a schedule_on_each_cpu_cond() or whatever
> > which is passed a function pointer of type `bool (*call_needed)(int
> > cpu, void *data)'.
> 
> I'd really like to avoid that.  Decision callbacks tend to get abused
> quite often and it's rather sad to do that because cpumask cannot be
> prepared and passed around.  Can't it just preallocate all necessary
> resources?

I don't recall seeing such abuse.  It's a very common and powerful
tool, and not implementing it because some dummy may abuse it weakens
the API for all non-dummies.  That allocation is simply unneeded.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-13 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-06 20:22 [PATCH] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-06 20:22 ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-06 20:22 ` [PATCH v2] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-06 20:22   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:45   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-07 20:45     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-07 20:49     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] workqueue: add new schedule_on_cpu_mask() API Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:49       ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52       ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 22:48   ` [PATCH v2] " Cody P Schafer
2013-08-07 22:48     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-08-07 20:49     ` [PATCH v4 1/2] workqueue: add new schedule_on_cpu_mask() API Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:49       ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 15:02       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 15:02         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 16:12         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 16:12           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 16:30           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 16:30             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-07 20:49             ` [PATCH v5 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:49               ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:40               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 17:40                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 17:49                 ` [PATCH v6 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:49                   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:52                 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-09 17:52                   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52             ` [PATCH v5 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52               ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52     ` [PATCH v4 " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-07 20:52       ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-12 21:05       ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-12 21:05         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13  1:53         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13  1:53           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 19:35           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 19:35             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 20:19             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 20:19               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 20:31               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-08-13 20:31                 ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 20:59                 ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 20:59                   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 21:13                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 21:13                     ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:13                     ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:13                       ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:26                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 23:04                         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:04                           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:51                       ` [PATCH v7 1/2] workqueue: add schedule_on_each_cpu_cond Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:51                         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:53                       ` [PATCH v7 2/2] mm: make lru_add_drain_all() selective Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 22:53                         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:29                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 23:29                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 23:32                           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:32                             ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14  6:46                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14  6:46                               ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 13:05                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 13:05                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 16:03                               ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 16:03                                 ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 16:57                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 16:57                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 17:18                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 17:18                                     ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 20:07                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:07                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:22                                       ` [PATCH v8] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 20:22                                         ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 20:44                                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 20:44                                           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 20:50                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:50                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 21:03                                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:03                                               ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:07                                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:07                                               ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:12                                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:12                                           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-14 21:23                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-14 21:23                                             ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:44                           ` [PATCH v7 2/2] " Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:44                             ` Chris Metcalf
2013-08-13 23:51                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 23:51                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 21:07                 ` [PATCH v4 " Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 21:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 21:16                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 21:16                     ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:07                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:07                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:18                       ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:18                         ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:33                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:33                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 22:47                             ` Andrew Morton
2013-08-13 23:03                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 23:03                               ` Tejun Heo

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