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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Sourav Poddar <sourav.poddar@ti.com>
Cc: spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	computersforpeace@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, balbi@ti.com,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] spi/qspi: Add memory mapped read support.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 19:41:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131009184139.GZ21581@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52559D52.4010400@ti.com>


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On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:45:46PM +0530, Sourav Poddar wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 October 2013 11:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:

> >I'm not convinced that this is the most useful API, it sounds like the
> >hardware can "memory map" the entire flash chip so the whole SPI
> >framework seems like overhead.

> But this memory map read will work only with read opcodes.(mtd_read
> path). For all other operations, normal SPI operations will be used.

> As for this, I also though of bypassing the SPI frameowrk, and doing
> a memcopy
> at the beginning of the mtd_read api. But, then before doing a memory mapped
> read -
> 1. Controller need to be switched to memory mapped port using control module
>      register and ti qspi switch register.
> 2. There is SOC specific memory mapped address space from where read
> should happen,
>     this is SOC specific and should be known to mtd layer the
> adreess to read for.
> So, I thought of going this way using t.memory map flag.

Sure, but these things sound like we should be able to support them
without having to bounce over to the SPI thread all the time and...

> >It also seems seems like it's going to involve the CPU being stalled
> >waiting for reads to complete instead of asking the SPI controller to
> >DMA the data to RAM and allowing the CPU to get on with other things -
> >replacing the explicit transmission of commands with memory to memory
> >DMAs might be advantageous but replacing DMA with memcpy() would need
> >numbers to show that it was a win.

...like I say it's not clear to me that this is actually a change that's
going to be beneficial.  I'd really like to see some analysis of the
performance showing that this helps and why it helps.

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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Sourav Poddar <sourav.poddar@ti.com>
Cc: spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	computersforpeace@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, balbi@ti.com,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] spi/qspi: Add memory mapped read support.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 19:41:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131009184139.GZ21581@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52559D52.4010400@ti.com>

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On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:45:46PM +0530, Sourav Poddar wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 October 2013 11:10 PM, Mark Brown wrote:

> >I'm not convinced that this is the most useful API, it sounds like the
> >hardware can "memory map" the entire flash chip so the whole SPI
> >framework seems like overhead.

> But this memory map read will work only with read opcodes.(mtd_read
> path). For all other operations, normal SPI operations will be used.

> As for this, I also though of bypassing the SPI frameowrk, and doing
> a memcopy
> at the beginning of the mtd_read api. But, then before doing a memory mapped
> read -
> 1. Controller need to be switched to memory mapped port using control module
>      register and ti qspi switch register.
> 2. There is SOC specific memory mapped address space from where read
> should happen,
>     this is SOC specific and should be known to mtd layer the
> adreess to read for.
> So, I thought of going this way using t.memory map flag.

Sure, but these things sound like we should be able to support them
without having to bounce over to the SPI thread all the time and...

> >It also seems seems like it's going to involve the CPU being stalled
> >waiting for reads to complete instead of asking the SPI controller to
> >DMA the data to RAM and allowing the CPU to get on with other things -
> >replacing the explicit transmission of commands with memory to memory
> >DMAs might be advantageous but replacing DMA with memcpy() would need
> >numbers to show that it was a win.

...like I say it's not clear to me that this is actually a change that's
going to be beneficial.  I'd really like to see some analysis of the
performance showing that this helps and why it helps.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-09 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-09 15:24 [PATCH 0/3]Add quad/memory mapped support for SPI flash Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24 ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] spi/qspi: Add memory mapped read support Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24   ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 16:07   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 16:07     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20131009160759.GQ21581-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-09 16:54       ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 16:54         ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 17:40         ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 17:40           ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 18:15           ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 18:15             ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 18:41             ` Mark Brown [this message]
2013-10-09 18:41               ` Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <20131009174027.GS21581-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-09 19:01             ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-10-09 19:01               ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-10-09 19:36               ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 19:36                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]               ` <87hacq1d5k.fsf-D6SC8u56vOOJDPpyT6T3/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10  2:27                 ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-10  2:27                   ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-10  8:52                   ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-10  8:52                     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-10 10:14                     ` Mark Brown
2013-10-10 10:14                       ` Mark Brown
2013-10-10 10:17                       ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-10 10:17                         ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-10 11:08                       ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-10 11:08                         ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-11 10:08                         ` Mark Brown
2013-10-11 10:08                           ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15  6:06                           ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15  6:06                             ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 11:16                             ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 11:16                               ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 11:49                               ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 11:49                                 ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 12:46                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 12:46                                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                   ` <20131015124656.GM2443-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 13:23                                     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 13:23                                       ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 15:53                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 15:53                                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                       ` <525D41E2.30206-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 15:33                                         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 15:33                                           ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 16:01                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 16:01                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 16:54                                             ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 16:54                                               ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 18:01                                         ` Brian Norris
2013-10-15 18:01                                           ` Brian Norris
2013-10-15 18:10                                           ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 18:10                                             ` Sourav Poddar
     [not found]                                           ` <20131015180142.GS23337-bU/DPfM3abD4WzifrMjOTkcViWtcw2C0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 18:13                                             ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-15 18:13                                               ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-15 18:33                                               ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 18:33                                                 ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-15 20:52                                                 ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 20:52                                                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                   ` <20131015205254.GX2443-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 21:03                                                     ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-15 21:03                                                       ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-15 22:10                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 22:10                                                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                 ` <20980858CB6D3A4BAE95CA194937D5E73EA23640-yXqyApvAXouIQmiDNMet8wC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 12:24                                                   ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-17 12:24                                                     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-17 12:38                                                     ` Mark Brown
2013-10-17 12:38                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-10-17 13:03                                                       ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-17 13:03                                                         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-17 23:42                                                         ` Mark Brown
2013-10-18  4:06                                                           ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-18  5:56                                                             ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-18  6:10                                                               ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-18  7:27                                                                 ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-18 10:31                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-18 11:48                                                                     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-18 13:08                                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-10-18 14:47                                                                         ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-15 20:59                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-10-15 20:59                                                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <52566ACC.1080100-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-11  9:30                       ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-11  9:30                         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-10 10:10                   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-10 10:10                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20131010101052.GF21581-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10 23:53                       ` Trent Piepho
2013-10-11  9:59                         ` Mark Brown
2013-10-11  9:59                           ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 15:24 ` [PATCHv3 2/3] drivers: mtd: devices: Add quad " Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24   ` Sourav Poddar
     [not found]   ` <1381332284-21822-3-git-send-email-sourav.poddar-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-09 18:15     ` Jagan Teki
2013-10-09 18:15       ` Jagan Teki
     [not found]       ` <CAD6G_RShZMkSpVzvXWEE0+sDX=pcnf7ndChndgDG5_T4EVL2vQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-11  7:10         ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-11  7:10           ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-24  1:06   ` Brian Norris
2013-10-24  5:44     ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-24  7:34       ` Brian Norris
2013-10-24  8:44         ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-24 17:07           ` Brian Norris
2013-10-24 17:55             ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/3] drivers: mtd: devices: Add memory mapped " Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:24   ` Sourav Poddar
2013-10-09 15:45   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-09 15:45     ` Mark Brown
2013-10-24  0:22 ` [PATCH 0/3]Add quad/memory mapped support for SPI flash Brian Norris
2013-10-24  4:51   ` Sourav Poddar

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