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From: Andreas Herrmann <andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre
	<nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] arm: dma-mapping: Add support to extend DMA IOMMU mappings
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:40:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140129144017.GA13543@alberich> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140129110537.GG26622-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>

Hi Will, Marek,

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 06:05:37AM -0500, Will Deacon wrote:
> Hi Marek,
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:57:01AM +0000, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > On 2014-01-16 13:44, Andreas Herrmann wrote:
> > > Instead of using just one bitmap to keep track of IO virtual addresses
> > > (handed out for IOMMU use) introduce a list of iova_ranges (each
> > > having its own bitmap). This allows us to extend existing mappings
> > > when running out of iova space for a mapping.
> > >
> > > If there is not enough space in the mapping to service an IO virtual
> > > address allocation request, __alloc_iova() tries to extend the mapping
> > > -- by allocating another bitmap -- and makes another allocation
> > > attempt using the freshly allocated bitmap.
> > >
> > > This allows arm iommu drivers to start with a decent initial size when
> > > an dma_iommu_mapping is created and still to avoid running out of IO
> > > virtual addresses for the mapping.
> > >
> > > Tests were done on Calxeda ECX-2000 with smmu for sata and xgmac.
> > > I've used SZ_512K both for initial mapping size and grow_size.
> > 
> > Thanks for implementing this feature! I remember it was discussed from
> > early beginning of arm dma iommu support, but I never had enough time
> > to actually implement it. I briefly checked the code and it look fine,
> > however I really wonder if we need separate grow_size parameter?
> > Personally I would simplify it to simply grow the bitmap by initial
> > size until it reaches the maximal size.
> 
> That sounds sensible, but I also think it would be worth taking into account
> the page sizes supported by the IOMMU as well, since aligning to those makes
> sense from a TLB utilisation perspective.

Meanwhile I also think that the grow_size parameter is overkill. Only
the initial mapping size and the maximum size really matter. Then we
could try to extend the mapping by initial mapping size and if this
fails (we might not have enough pages to serve such an allocation) we
could/should even fall back to allocate a single page (which should
give us at least a 16MB range).

> > The whole concept of the simplified bitmap (where 1 bit != 1 page) for
> > iova allocation is a specific feature of this code and it has nothing
> > to the hardware. After thinking a bit more on the existing
> > implementation I've already observed that it is sometimes hard to
> > understand the parameters for arm_iommu_create_mapping() function,
> > especially the 'order' argument is ofter misunderstood. With your
> > patch we got two additional parameters. Maybe it will be much better
> > to use only 2 arguments: max_mapping_size and allocation_accuracy.
> > The initial bitmap size can be then calculated to fit it into single
> > memory page (that's quite important to avoid allocations larger that
> > a single memory page). 'allocation_accuracy' will serve the same way
> > as 'order' parameter now (but expressed in bytes rather than being
> > the multiplier for the number of pages). This way the
> > arm_iommu_create_mapping() function should be much easier to
> > understand, while keeping the implementation details hidden from the
> > caller.
> 
> Hmm, I wouldn't guess the SI unit of accuracy to be bytes ;)
 
Have to think about the alignment argument and the last paragraph for
a while.

All I can say now is that starting with a bitmap size that fits into a
single memory page doesn't sound right to me. The initial allocation
is "easy" (not GFP_ATOMIC) and thus I think we should start with a
larger bitmap. Say you have a device for which at runtime 512MB
mapping range are required and you use a 4k page for the bitmaps (each
tracking 16MB IOVA range) you'll have 32 bitmaps to maintain. Whereas
when you start with 128MB initial bitmap size and (successfully)
enhance the mapping by 128MB you just have to maintain 4 bitmaps.

But of course coming up with the right choice for the initial bitmap
size that fits all master devices is a hard thing to do ...
 


Andreas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: andreas.herrmann@calxeda.com (Andreas Herrmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 11/11] arm: dma-mapping: Add support to extend DMA IOMMU mappings
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:40:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140129144017.GA13543@alberich> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140129110537.GG26622@mudshark.cambridge.arm.com>

Hi Will, Marek,

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 06:05:37AM -0500, Will Deacon wrote:
> Hi Marek,
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:57:01AM +0000, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > On 2014-01-16 13:44, Andreas Herrmann wrote:
> > > Instead of using just one bitmap to keep track of IO virtual addresses
> > > (handed out for IOMMU use) introduce a list of iova_ranges (each
> > > having its own bitmap). This allows us to extend existing mappings
> > > when running out of iova space for a mapping.
> > >
> > > If there is not enough space in the mapping to service an IO virtual
> > > address allocation request, __alloc_iova() tries to extend the mapping
> > > -- by allocating another bitmap -- and makes another allocation
> > > attempt using the freshly allocated bitmap.
> > >
> > > This allows arm iommu drivers to start with a decent initial size when
> > > an dma_iommu_mapping is created and still to avoid running out of IO
> > > virtual addresses for the mapping.
> > >
> > > Tests were done on Calxeda ECX-2000 with smmu for sata and xgmac.
> > > I've used SZ_512K both for initial mapping size and grow_size.
> > 
> > Thanks for implementing this feature! I remember it was discussed from
> > early beginning of arm dma iommu support, but I never had enough time
> > to actually implement it. I briefly checked the code and it look fine,
> > however I really wonder if we need separate grow_size parameter?
> > Personally I would simplify it to simply grow the bitmap by initial
> > size until it reaches the maximal size.
> 
> That sounds sensible, but I also think it would be worth taking into account
> the page sizes supported by the IOMMU as well, since aligning to those makes
> sense from a TLB utilisation perspective.

Meanwhile I also think that the grow_size parameter is overkill. Only
the initial mapping size and the maximum size really matter. Then we
could try to extend the mapping by initial mapping size and if this
fails (we might not have enough pages to serve such an allocation) we
could/should even fall back to allocate a single page (which should
give us at least a 16MB range).

> > The whole concept of the simplified bitmap (where 1 bit != 1 page) for
> > iova allocation is a specific feature of this code and it has nothing
> > to the hardware. After thinking a bit more on the existing
> > implementation I've already observed that it is sometimes hard to
> > understand the parameters for arm_iommu_create_mapping() function,
> > especially the 'order' argument is ofter misunderstood. With your
> > patch we got two additional parameters. Maybe it will be much better
> > to use only 2 arguments: max_mapping_size and allocation_accuracy.
> > The initial bitmap size can be then calculated to fit it into single
> > memory page (that's quite important to avoid allocations larger that
> > a single memory page). 'allocation_accuracy' will serve the same way
> > as 'order' parameter now (but expressed in bytes rather than being
> > the multiplier for the number of pages). This way the
> > arm_iommu_create_mapping() function should be much easier to
> > understand, while keeping the implementation details hidden from the
> > caller.
> 
> Hmm, I wouldn't guess the SI unit of accuracy to be bytes ;)
 
Have to think about the alignment argument and the last paragraph for
a while.

All I can say now is that starting with a bitmap size that fits into a
single memory page doesn't sound right to me. The initial allocation
is "easy" (not GFP_ATOMIC) and thus I think we should start with a
larger bitmap. Say you have a device for which at runtime 512MB
mapping range are required and you use a 4k page for the bitmaps (each
tracking 16MB IOVA range) you'll have 32 bitmaps to maintain. Whereas
when you start with 128MB initial bitmap size and (successfully)
enhance the mapping by 128MB you just have to maintain 4 bitmaps.

But of course coming up with the right choice for the initial bitmap
size that fits all master devices is a hard thing to do ...
 


Andreas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-29 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-16 12:44 [PATCH v4 0/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Misc modifications to support SMMUs on Calxeda ECX-2000 Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44 ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found] ` <1389876263-25759-1-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 01/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Introduce driver option handling Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]     ` <1389876263-25759-2-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 11:51       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 11:51         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20140122115143.GI1621-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-23 20:16           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-23 20:16             ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 02/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Introduce bus notifier block Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]     ` <1389876263-25759-3-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18 20:59       ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-18 20:59         ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]         ` <419c2609cab14842b5258f7048ce6d43-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-20 21:29           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 21:29             ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 21:53       ` [PATCH v2 02/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Introduce iommu_group " Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 21:53         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 21:56         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 21:56           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 22:28       ` [PATCH v3 " Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-20 22:28         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-21 17:48         ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-21 17:48           ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]           ` <e92c5fd617fb4068b4ec5de696527ee3-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 12:25             ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 12:25               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]               ` <20140122122550.GA14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 13:14                 ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-22 13:14                   ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-22 13:40                   ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 13:40                     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                     ` <20140122134028.GB14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 13:54                       ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-22 13:54                         ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]                         ` <aeebc7cf4084486790a5166cf83cb332-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 15:33                           ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 15:33                             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                             ` <20140122153352.GE14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 19:07                               ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-22 19:07                                 ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]                                 ` <3d0a888e122f490ba6bbc80b1aaa977c-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-23 19:57                                   ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-23 19:57                                     ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-28 11:00                                     ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-28 11:00                                       ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]                                       ` <991cc0024ea54cdb964f31de89c0b0ea-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 14:14                                         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 14:14                                           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 19:19                                           ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-29 19:19                                             ` Varun Sethi
2014-01-23 19:24                               ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-23 19:24                                 ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-24  9:48                                 ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-24  9:48                                   ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 03/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Support buggy implementation where all config accesses are secure Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 04/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Introduce automatic stream-id-masking Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]     ` <1389876263-25759-5-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 15:26       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 15:26         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20140122152622.GD14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 20:15           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-22 20:15             ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 05/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Check for duplicate stream IDs when registering master devices Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]     ` <1389876263-25759-6-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 15:53       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 15:53         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20140122155302.GF14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-23 21:17           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-23 21:17             ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 06/11] documentation/iommu: Update description of ARM System MMU binding Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]     ` <1389876263-25759-7-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 14:31       ` Rob Herring
2014-01-16 14:31         ` Rob Herring
2014-01-16 12:44   ` [PATCH 07/11] iommu/arm-smmu: Set MAX_MASTER_STREAMIDS to MAX_PHANDLE_ARGS Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44     ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44 ` [PATCH 08/11] of: Increase MAX_PHANDLE_ARGS Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]   ` <1389876263-25759-9-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 14:25     ` Rob Herring
2014-01-16 14:25       ` Rob Herring
     [not found]       ` <CAL_Jsq+fDUYne1OQAd4AeQw-JAoFBf0TCv4YVpy6Vt_UmdkA8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-17 11:00         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:00           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:08     ` [PATCH v2 " Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:08       ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 16:11       ` Suravee Suthikulanit
2014-01-29 16:11         ` Suravee Suthikulanit
     [not found]         ` < CAL_JsqLhzp5jUJPA91rNkQ07kCDYCDZLxw8LxxFEVP9b12e1Jw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <52E92842.3000001-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 16:57           ` Rob Herring
2014-01-29 16:57             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]             ` <CAL_JsqLhzp5jUJPA91rNkQ07kCDYCDZLxw8LxxFEVP9b12e1Jw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 16:59               ` Suravee Suthikulanit
2014-01-29 16:59                 ` Suravee Suthikulanit
     [not found]                 ` <52E93360.1000904-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 17:16                   ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 17:16                     ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 17:26                     ` Suravee Suthikulanit
2014-01-29 17:26                       ` Suravee Suthikulanit
     [not found]                       ` <52E939CB.1020705-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 17:29                         ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 17:29                           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                           ` <20140129172932.GQ26622-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 17:57                             ` Suravee Suthikulanit
2014-01-29 17:57                               ` Suravee Suthikulanit
     [not found]                               ` <52E940FC.9050602-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 18:03                                 ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 18:03                                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                                   ` <20140129180350.GS26622-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 22:53                                     ` Suravee Suthikulanit
2014-01-30 22:53                                       ` Suravee Suthikulanit
     [not found]                                       ` <52EAD7EF.3040305-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-31  0:18                                         ` Will Deacon
2014-01-31  0:18                                           ` Will Deacon
2014-01-30 17:45                         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-30 17:45                           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-31 16:24                           ` Rob Herring
2014-01-31 16:24                             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                             ` <CAL_Jsq+=dm4kPk=e0h_up9=wvED4fd3MBtSNFxm2NEz_yag-uA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-03 16:44                               ` Will Deacon
2014-02-03 16:44                                 ` Will Deacon
2014-02-04 17:33                   ` Grant Likely
2014-02-04 17:33                     ` Grant Likely
2014-02-04 17:36       ` Grant Likely
2014-02-04 17:36         ` Grant Likely
2014-01-16 12:44 ` [PATCH 09/11] ARM: dts: Add nodes for SMMUs on Calxeda ECX-2000 Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]   ` <1389876263-25759-10-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 14:30     ` Rob Herring
2014-01-16 14:30       ` Rob Herring
     [not found]       ` <CAL_JsqK2JUBEvCb-=eHFE_T=2AD0K_+V=NAeijzK2DrCwkaCOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-17 11:01         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:01           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:16     ` [PATCH v2 " Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-17 11:16       ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44 ` [PATCH 10/11] arm: dma-mapping: Add additional parameters to arm_iommu_create_mapping Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]   ` <1389876263-25759-11-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 16:01     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 16:01       ` Will Deacon
2014-01-16 12:44 ` [PATCH 11/11] arm: dma-mapping: Add support to extend DMA IOMMU mappings Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-16 12:44   ` Andreas Herrmann
     [not found]   ` <1389876263-25759-12-git-send-email-andreas.herrmann-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-22 16:10     ` Will Deacon
2014-01-22 16:10       ` Will Deacon
     [not found]       ` <20140122161010.GH14108-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-23 21:50         ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-23 21:50           ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-29 10:57     ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-01-29 10:57       ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]       ` <52E8DE7D.5020801-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 11:05         ` Will Deacon
2014-01-29 11:05           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <20140129110537.GG26622-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 14:40             ` Andreas Herrmann [this message]
2014-01-29 14:40               ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-30  8:28               ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-01-30  8:28                 ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]                 ` <52EA0D43.1010802-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30  8:44                   ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-30  8:44                     ` Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-31 17:23                     ` [PATCH] " Andreas Herrmann
2014-01-31 17:23                       ` Andreas Herrmann

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