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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:53:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140807155326.18481e66@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140807154907.6f59cf6e@gandalf.local.home>

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:49:07 -0400
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:


> Only voluntary calls to schedule() will be a quiescent state. Preempt
> doesn't count. And no, function callbacks to not call schedule(),
> function callbacks should be treated even stricter than interrupt
> handlers. They should never call schedule() directly or even take any
> locks. Heck, they should be stricter than NMIs for that matter.
> 
> Hence, once something calls schedule() directly, we know that it is not
> on a trampoline, nor is it going to return to one.

I should also be a bit clearer here. It's not just function callbacks,
but anything that adds a trampoline that can be called from any context
(like for kprobes). The point is, these trampolines that can execute
anywhere (including in NMIs), must have strict use cases. These are not
a notifier or other generic operation that normal RCU is fine for.
These are for really specific cases that require the call_rcu_task() to
free.

call_rcu_task() should seldom be used. The only cases really are for
kprobes and function tracing, and perhaps other dynamic callers.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-07 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-31 21:54 [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 0/9 Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 2/9] rcu: Provide cond_resched_rcu_qs() to force quiescent states in long loops Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:09     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:32       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 19:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:47           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:57               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-06  1:21                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  8:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 12:09                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 16:30                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 22:45                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07  8:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:00                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 15:26                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:27                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 18:46                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 19:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-07 19:53                                       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2014-08-07 20:08                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 21:18                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08  6:40                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 14:12                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 14:28                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 10:56                                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-08 14:34                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 14:58                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 15:16                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 15:39                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:01                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:10                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:17                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:40                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:52                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:27                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:39                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:49                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:51                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:09                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:43                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:50                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:27                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 10:36                                                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-07 20:06                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 4/9] rcu: Export RCU-tasks APIs to GPL modules Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 5/9] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 6/9] rcutorture: Add RCU-tasks test cases Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 7/9] rcu: Add stall-warning checks for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 8/9] rcu: Improve RCU-tasks energy efficiency Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 9/9] documentation: Add verbiage on RCU-tasks stall warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 23:57   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01  2:04     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:06       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01  1:15   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01  1:59     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01  1:31   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01  2:11     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 14:11   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:28     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:40       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 23:00         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 12:57           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:29               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:48                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 13:33       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:05         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04  0:37           ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04  1:09             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:25               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:51                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:52                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 19:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 19:32               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04  1:28   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04  7:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04  8:18       ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04 11:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 12:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04 12:37             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 14:56             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-05  0:47               ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-05 21:55                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:27                   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06  0:48                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:33                   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06  0:51                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 22:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07  8:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 16:32                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:48                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 19:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 20:58     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09  6:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 12:44         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 16:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 16:01         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 18:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10  1:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  8:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 11:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 16:15                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  1:26             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  8:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10 16:46                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:28                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11  3:23                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10  1:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 15:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:37             ` Paul E. McKenney

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