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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 19:27:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140807172753.GG3588@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140807152600.GW9918@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

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On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:26:00PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > So do we really need the call_rcu_task() thing and why isn't something
> > > like synchronize_tasks() good enough?
> > 
> > Sounds like a question for Steven.
> > 
> > > So the thing is, the one proposed user is very rare (*) and for that
> > > you're adding overhead outside of that user (a separate kthread) and
> > > your adding overhead when its not used.
> > 
> > If that really was the case, that would be bad.  However, in the latest
> > versions, that is no longer the case.
> > 
> > > * I'm assuming that, since tracing is 'rare' and this is some tracing
> > > thing.
> > 
> > Another good point for Steven.
> 
> Yes.. and he's back now, so please :-)

Right, Steve (and Paul) please explain _why_ this is an 'RCU' at all?
_Why_ do we have call_rcu_task(), and why is it entwined in the 'normal'
RCU stuff? We've got SRCU -- which btw started out simple, without
call_srcu() -- and that lives entirely independent. And SRCU is far more
an actual RCU than this thing is, its got read side primitives and
everything.

Also, I cannot think of any other use besides trampolines for this
thing, but that might be my limited imagination.



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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-07 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-31 21:54 [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 0/9 Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55 ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 2/9] rcu: Provide cond_resched_rcu_qs() to force quiescent states in long loops Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:09     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:32       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 19:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:47           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:57               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-06  1:21                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  8:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 12:09                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 16:30                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-06 22:45                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07  8:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:00                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 15:26                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:27                                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-08-07 18:46                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 19:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-07 19:53                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-07 20:08                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 21:18                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08  6:40                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 14:12                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 14:28                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 10:56                                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-08 14:34                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 14:58                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 15:16                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 15:39                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:01                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:10                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:17                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:40                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:52                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:27                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 16:39                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:49                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:51                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:09                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 16:43                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-08 16:50                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 17:27                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 10:36                                                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-08-07 20:06                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 4/9] rcu: Export RCU-tasks APIs to GPL modules Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 5/9] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 6/9] rcutorture: Add RCU-tasks test cases Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 7/9] rcu: Add stall-warning checks for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 8/9] rcu: Improve RCU-tasks energy efficiency Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 21:55   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 9/9] documentation: Add verbiage on RCU-tasks stall warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2014-07-31 23:57   ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01  2:04     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 15:06       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-08-01  1:15   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01  1:59     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01  1:31   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-01  2:11     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 14:11   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-01 18:28     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:40       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 23:00         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 12:57           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:29               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:48                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-01 18:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-02 14:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-02 22:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-03 13:33       ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-03 22:05         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04  0:37           ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04  1:09             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:25               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 13:51                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:52                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 13:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04 19:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 19:32               ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-08-04  1:28   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04  7:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04  8:18       ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-04 11:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 12:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-04 12:37             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-04 14:56             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-05  0:47               ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-05 21:55                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:27                   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06  0:48                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06  0:33                   ` Lai Jiangshan
2014-08-06  0:51                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-06 22:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07  8:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 15:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-07 16:32                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-07 17:48                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-08 19:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-08 20:58     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09  6:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 12:44         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-09 16:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 16:01         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-09 18:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10  1:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  8:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 11:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11 16:15                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  1:26             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10  8:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10 16:46                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:28                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11  3:23                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-09 18:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-10  1:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-10 15:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-11  3:37             ` Paul E. McKenney

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