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From: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
To: Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
Cc: linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@ti.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	Santosh Shilimkar <ssantosh@kernel.org>,
	Murali Karicheri <m-karicheri2@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [2/5] i2c: davinci: query STP always when NACK is received
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:02:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141124200235.GV4431@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <547333EB.5050403@ti.com>

Hello Grygorii,

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 03:34:35PM +0200, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> On 11/23/2014 10:33 PM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > A call to .master_xfer with a message sequence implicitly expects ACKs
> > from the slave and doesn't tell anything about what should be done on a
> > NAK. So IMHO you must not send a P when the slave responds with a NAK,
> > but error out and let the sender decide if it wants to reply with P or
> > Sr.
> 
> Sry, but what should be done is defined by I2C/SMbus specs? Does it?
> For SMBus devices, the specification states (http://smbus.org/specs/)
> "4.2.Acknowledge (ACK) and not acknowledge (NACK)":
> - "The slave device detects an invalid command or invalid data. In this 
>   case the slave device must not acknowledge the received byte. The master
>   upon detection of this condition must generate a STOP condition and
>   retry the transaction"
> For I2C devices, the specification states [http://www.nxp.com/documents/user_manual/UM10204.pdf]:
> "3.1.6 Acknowledge (ACK) and Not Acknowledge (NACK)"
> "When SDA remains HIGH during this ninth clock pulse, this is defined as the Not
> Acknowledge signal. The master can then generate either a STOP condition to
> abort the transfer, or a repeated START condition to start a new transfer."
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The master has the choice, and the
driver should not eliminate options here.
 
> Let take a look on i2c/smbus xfer:
> i2c_lock_adapter(adap)
>  adap->algo->master_xfer/smbus_xfer()
> i2c_unlock_adapter(adap);
>  |- rt_mutex_unlock(&adapter->bus_lock);
>     |- task switch
>  
> So, there is no guarantee that next xfer will address the same I2C client device,
> which, in turn, may lead to BB detection (will lead to BB detection if previous
> transfer has been not acknowledged by SMbus client device).
That's a valid concern.
 
> Small summary, I2C core + Davinci I2C driver provide ability to use repeated
> start (Sr) only within one I2C transaction - which is a number of write/read
> operations specified by i2c_msg array. NACK always interrupts transaction
> with -EREMOTEIO.
> 
> Also, the I2C core doesn't provide ability to manually send P.
Hmm, Wolfram, what do you think?

Best regards
Uwe

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-König            |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Grygorii Strashko
	<grygorii.strashko-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa-z923LK4zBo2bacvFa/9K2g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Sekhar Nori <nsekhar-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Kevin Hilman
	<khilman-1D3HCaltpLuhEniVeURVKkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>,
	Santosh Shilimkar
	<ssantosh-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Murali Karicheri <m-karicheri2-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [2/5] i2c: davinci: query STP always when NACK is received
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:02:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141124200235.GV4431@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <547333EB.5050403-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>

Hello Grygorii,

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 03:34:35PM +0200, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> On 11/23/2014 10:33 PM, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > A call to .master_xfer with a message sequence implicitly expects ACKs
> > from the slave and doesn't tell anything about what should be done on a
> > NAK. So IMHO you must not send a P when the slave responds with a NAK,
> > but error out and let the sender decide if it wants to reply with P or
> > Sr.
> 
> Sry, but what should be done is defined by I2C/SMbus specs? Does it?
> For SMBus devices, the specification states (http://smbus.org/specs/)
> "4.2.Acknowledge (ACK) and not acknowledge (NACK)":
> - "The slave device detects an invalid command or invalid data. In this 
>   case the slave device must not acknowledge the received byte. The master
>   upon detection of this condition must generate a STOP condition and
>   retry the transaction"
> For I2C devices, the specification states [http://www.nxp.com/documents/user_manual/UM10204.pdf]:
> "3.1.6 Acknowledge (ACK) and Not Acknowledge (NACK)"
> "When SDA remains HIGH during this ninth clock pulse, this is defined as the Not
> Acknowledge signal. The master can then generate either a STOP condition to
> abort the transfer, or a repeated START condition to start a new transfer."
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The master has the choice, and the
driver should not eliminate options here.
 
> Let take a look on i2c/smbus xfer:
> i2c_lock_adapter(adap)
>  adap->algo->master_xfer/smbus_xfer()
> i2c_unlock_adapter(adap);
>  |- rt_mutex_unlock(&adapter->bus_lock);
>     |- task switch
>  
> So, there is no guarantee that next xfer will address the same I2C client device,
> which, in turn, may lead to BB detection (will lead to BB detection if previous
> transfer has been not acknowledged by SMbus client device).
That's a valid concern.
 
> Small summary, I2C core + Davinci I2C driver provide ability to use repeated
> start (Sr) only within one I2C transaction - which is a number of write/read
> operations specified by i2c_msg array. NACK always interrupts transaction
> with -EREMOTEIO.
> 
> Also, the I2C core doesn't provide ability to manually send P.
Hmm, Wolfram, what do you think?

Best regards
Uwe

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-König            |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-24 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-20 10:03 [PATCH 0/5] i2c: davinci improvements and fixes Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03 ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03 ` [PATCH 1/5] i2c: i2c-davinci: switch to use platform_get_irq Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03   ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 21:48   ` [1/5] " Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 11:01     ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 11:01       ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 14:03       ` Rob Herring
2014-11-21 14:03         ` Rob Herring
2014-11-21 14:59         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03 ` [PATCH 2/5] i2c: davinci: query STP always when NACK is received Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03   ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 22:19   ` [2/5] " Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-20 22:19     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 12:48     ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 12:48       ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 13:10       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 13:10         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 15:33         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 15:33           ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-23 20:33           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-23 20:33             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-24 13:34             ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 13:34               ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 20:02               ` Uwe Kleine-König [this message]
2014-11-24 20:02                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-20 10:03 ` [PATCH 3/5] i2c: recovery: change input parameter to i2c_adapter for prepare/unprepare_recovery Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03   ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 18:49   ` [3/5] " Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 18:49     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-20 10:03 ` [PATCH 4/5] i2c: davinci: use bus recovery infrastructure Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03   ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 19:07   ` [4/5] " Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 19:07     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-21 19:33     ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-21 19:33       ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-23 20:36       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-23 20:36         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-24 13:26         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 13:26           ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 20:07           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-24 20:07             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-20 10:03 ` [PATCH 5/5] i2c: davinci: use ICPFUNC to toggle I2C as gpio for bus recovery Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-20 10:03   ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-23 17:04   ` [5/5] " Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-23 17:04     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-24 13:15     ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 13:15       ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 18:13       ` Mike Looijmans
2014-11-24 18:13         ` Mike Looijmans
2014-11-24 19:22         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 19:22           ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-24 19:45       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-24 19:45         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2014-11-25 13:04         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-11-25 13:04           ` Grygorii Strashko

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