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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	DRI mailing list <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	Tomasz Stanislawski <stanislawski.tomasz@googlemail.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints with dma-parms
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 00:14:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150204001439.GB8656@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3327782.QV7DJfvifL@wuerfel>

On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 10:42:26PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> Right, if you have a private iommu, there is no problem. The tricky part
> is using a single driver for the system-level translation and the gpu
> private mappings when there is only one type of iommu in the system.

You've got a problem anyway with this approach.  If you look at my
figure 2 and apply it to this scenario, you have two MMUs stacked
on top of each other.  That's something that (afaik) we don't support,
but it's entirely possible that will come along with ARM64.

It may not be nice to have to treat GPUs specially, but I think we
really do need to, and forget the idea that the GPU's IOMMU (as
opposed to a system MMU) should appear in a generic form in DT.

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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	DRI mailing list <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	Tomasz Stanislawski <stanislawski.tomasz@googlemail.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints with dma-parms
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 00:14:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150204001439.GB8656@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3327782.QV7DJfvifL@wuerfel>

On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 10:42:26PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> Right, if you have a private iommu, there is no problem. The tricky part
> is using a single driver for the system-level translation and the gpu
> private mappings when there is only one type of iommu in the system.

You've got a problem anyway with this approach.  If you look at my
figure 2 and apply it to this scenario, you have two MMUs stacked
on top of each other.  That's something that (afaik) we don't support,
but it's entirely possible that will come along with ARM64.

It may not be nice to have to treat GPUs specially, but I think we
really do need to, and forget the idea that the GPU's IOMMU (as
opposed to a system MMU) should appear in a generic form in DT.

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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints with dma-parms
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 00:14:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150204001439.GB8656@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3327782.QV7DJfvifL@wuerfel>

On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 10:42:26PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> Right, if you have a private iommu, there is no problem. The tricky part
> is using a single driver for the system-level translation and the gpu
> private mappings when there is only one type of iommu in the system.

You've got a problem anyway with this approach.  If you look at my
figure 2 and apply it to this scenario, you have two MMUs stacked
on top of each other.  That's something that (afaik) we don't support,
but it's entirely possible that will come along with ARM64.

It may not be nice to have to treat GPUs specially, but I think we
really do need to, and forget the idea that the GPU's IOMMU (as
opposed to a system MMU) should appear in a generic form in DT.

-- 
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according to speedtest.net.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-04  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 262+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-27  8:25 [RFCv3 1/2] device: add dma_params->max_segment_count Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25 ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25 ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25 ` [RFCv3 2/2] dma-buf: add helpers for sharing attacher constraints with dma-parms Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25   ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25   ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-27  8:25   ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 14:16   ` Maarten Lankhorst
2015-01-29 14:16     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2015-01-29 14:16     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2015-01-29 14:16     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2015-01-29 14:39   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 14:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 14:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 14:39     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 15:30     ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 15:30       ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 15:30       ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 15:30       ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 15:47       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 15:47         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 15:47         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 15:47         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 15:47         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 16:55         ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 16:55           ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 16:55           ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 16:55           ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-29 18:52         ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 18:52           ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 18:52           ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 18:52           ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 18:52           ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 19:26           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 19:26             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 19:26             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 19:26             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 19:26             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 22:18             ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 22:18               ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 22:18               ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 22:18               ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 22:31               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 22:31                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 22:31                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 22:31                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-01-29 23:19                 ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 23:19                   ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 23:19                   ` Rob Clark
2015-01-29 23:19                   ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 16:54               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-02 16:54                 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-02 16:54                 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-02 16:54                 ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-02 20:30                 ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 20:30                   ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 20:30                   ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 20:30                   ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 21:46                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-02 21:46                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-02 21:46                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-02 21:46                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-02 22:36                     ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 22:36                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 22:36                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 22:36                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-02 22:36                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03  7:50                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:50                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:50                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:50                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:46                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:46                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:46                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:46                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:48                   ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:48                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:48                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03  7:48                     ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 12:28                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 12:28                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 12:28                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 12:28                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 13:00                       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 13:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 13:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 13:00                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 13:28                       ` Christian Gmeiner
2015-02-03 13:28                         ` Christian Gmeiner
2015-02-03 13:28                         ` Christian Gmeiner
2015-02-03 13:28                         ` Christian Gmeiner
2015-02-03 13:28                         ` Christian Gmeiner
2015-02-03 14:32                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:32                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:32                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:32                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:32                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:25                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:25                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:25                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:25                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:04                     ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:04                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:04                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:04                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:17                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:17                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:17                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:17                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:41                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:41                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:41                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:41                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:52                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:52                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 14:52                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 15:22                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:22                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:22                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:22                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:31                               ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 15:31                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 15:31                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 15:54                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:54                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:54                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 15:54                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 16:12                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:12                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:12                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:12                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:22                                     ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 16:22                                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 16:22                                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 16:22                                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 16:36                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:36                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:36                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:36                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 16:36                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 20:04                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:04                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:04                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:04                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 21:42                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:42                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:42                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:42                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:42                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 22:07                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 22:07                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 22:07                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 22:07                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-04  0:14                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2015-02-04  0:14                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-04  0:14                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-04  0:14                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:01                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:01                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:01                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:01                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:01                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 16:58                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 16:58                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 16:58                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 16:58                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 17:35                                       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 17:35                                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 17:35                                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 17:35                                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 20:08                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:08                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:08                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:08                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 20:08                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-03 21:44                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:44                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:44                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:44                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 21:44                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-03 15:25                             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:25                               ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:25                               ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:25                               ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:19                           ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:19                             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:19                             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 15:19                             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:37                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:37                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:37                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:37                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:37                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:44                         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:44                           ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:44                           ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:44                           ` Rob Clark
2015-02-03 14:58                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:58                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:58                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:58                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-03 14:58                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-02  5:53             ` Sumit Semwal
2015-02-02  5:53               ` Sumit Semwal
2015-02-02  5:53               ` Sumit Semwal
2015-02-02  5:53               ` Sumit Semwal
2015-02-11  8:28   ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11  8:28     ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11  8:28     ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11 11:12     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 11:12       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 11:12       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 11:12       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 11:23       ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 11:23         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 11:23         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 11:23         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 11:23         ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 12:56         ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-11 12:56           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-11 12:56           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-11 12:56           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-11 12:56           ` Daniel Vetter
2015-02-11 13:30           ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 13:30             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 13:30             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 13:30             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 13:30             ` Rob Clark
2015-02-11 12:20       ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11 12:20         ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11 12:20         ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-02-11 16:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 16:23           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 16:23           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-02-11 16:23           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-05-05 14:41           ` Sumit Semwal
2015-05-05 14:41             ` Sumit Semwal
2015-05-05 14:41             ` Sumit Semwal
2015-05-05 14:41             ` Sumit Semwal
2015-06-03  6:39             ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  6:39               ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  6:39               ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  6:39               ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  8:41               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-06-03  8:41                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-06-03  8:41                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-06-03  8:41                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-06-03  8:41                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-06-03  9:37                 ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  9:37                   ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  9:37                   ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  9:37                   ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-04  5:24                   ` Sumit Semwal
2015-06-04  5:24                     ` Sumit Semwal
2015-06-04  5:24                     ` Sumit Semwal
2015-06-04  5:24                     ` Sumit Semwal
2015-01-28 14:09 ` [RFCv3 1/2] device: add dma_params->max_segment_count Marek Szyprowski
2015-01-28 14:09   ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-01-28 14:09   ` Marek Szyprowski
2015-06-03  6:13 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  6:13   ` Hans Verkuil
2015-06-03  6:13   ` Hans Verkuil

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