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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:54:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150410175407.GB6563@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5527CD92.1080901@zytor.com>


* H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:

> On 04/10/2015 05:50 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > 
> > However, I'm an -Os guy. Expect -O2 people to disagree :)
> > 
> 
> The problem with -Os is that the compiler will make *any* tradeoffs 
> to save a byte.  It is really designed to squeeze as much code into 
> a fixed-size chunk, e.g. a ROM, as possible.
> 
> We have asked for an -Okernel mode from the gcc folks forever.  It 
> basically would mean "-Os except when really dumb."

Yes, and it appears that not aligning to 16 bytes gives 5.5% size 
savings already - which is a big chunk of the -Os win.

So we might be able to get a "poor man's -Okernel" by not aligning. 
(I'm also looking at GCC options to make loop unrolls less aggressive 
- that's another common source of bloat.)

I strongly suspect it's the silly 'use weird, wildly data-dependent 
instructions just to save a single byte' games are that are killing 
-Os performance in practice.

> As far as the 16-byte alignment, my understanding is not that it is 
> related to the I$ but rather is the decoder datum.

Yeah, but the decoder stops if the prefetch crosses a cache line? So 
it appears to be an interaction of the 16 byte prefetch window and 
cache line boundaries?

Btw., given that much of a real life kernel's instructions execute 
cache-cold, a 5.5% reduction in kernel size could easily speed up 
cache-cold execution by a couple of percent. In the cache-cold case 
the prefetch window size is probably not important at all, what 
determines execution speed is cache miss latency and cache footprint.

[ At least in my simple mental picture of it, which might be wrong ;-) ]

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-10 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-08 19:39 [PATCH 0/2] locking: Simplify mutex and rwsem spinning code Jason Low
2015-04-08 19:39 ` [PATCH 1/2] locking/mutex: Further refactor mutex_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09  9:00   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/mutex: Further simplify mutex_spin_on_owner() tip-bot for Jason Low
2015-04-08 19:39 ` [PATCH 2/2] locking/rwsem: Use a return variable in rwsem_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09  5:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-09  6:40     ` Jason Low
2015-04-09  7:53       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-09 16:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 17:56           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 18:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 18:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 18:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-10  9:00                   ` [PATCH] mutex: Speed up mutex_spin_on_owner() by not taking the RCU lock Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10  9:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10  9:21                       ` [PATCH] uaccess: Add __copy_from_kernel_inatomic() primitive Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:14                         ` [PATCH] x86/uaccess: Implement get_kernel() Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:27                           ` [PATCH] mutex: Improve mutex_spin_on_owner() code generation Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:08                             ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:18                               ` [PATCH] x86: Pack function addresses tightly as well Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:30                                 ` [PATCH] x86: Pack loops " Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 13:46                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-15  9:40                                   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  6:03                                   ` [tip:x86/apic] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15  9:39                                 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Pack function addresses " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15 18:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-15 20:52                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-17  5:58                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  7:09                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  7:30                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-18  9:28                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-19 21:38                                       ` [RFC PATCH] x86/64: Optimize the effective instruction cache footprint of kernel functions Ingo Molnar
2015-05-20  0:47                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-20 12:21                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-21 11:36                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-21 11:38                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2016-04-16 21:08                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-20 13:09                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-20 11:29                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-21 13:28                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-21 14:03                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:50                               ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 13:18                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-04-10 17:54                                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-04-10 18:32                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-04-11 14:41                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-12 10:14                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 16:23                                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-13 17:26                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-13 18:31                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-13 19:09                                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14  5:38                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14  8:23                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14  9:16                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14 11:17                                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14 12:09                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-12 23:44                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-04-10 19:23                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-11 13:48                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-10 13:19                               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 13:54                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 14:01                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 14:53                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 15:25                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 15:48                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 15:54                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 21:44                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 18:54                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 14:10                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-11 14:28                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-04-11  9:20                               ` [PATCH] x86: Turn off GCC branch probability heuristics Ingo Molnar
2015-04-11 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-11 18:57                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-04-11 19:35                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-12  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  6:20                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-12 10:15                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  7:56                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-12  7:41                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  8:07                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12 21:11                                     ` Jan Hubicka
2015-05-14 11:59                               ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-14 18:17                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-14 19:04                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-14 19:44                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15 15:45                                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-17  5:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17 19:18                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-18  6:48                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15  9:39                               ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Align jump targets to 1-byte boundaries tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:34                           ` [PATCH] x86/uaccess: Implement get_kernel() Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-10 18:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 17:49                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 18:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 14:20                     ` [PATCH] mutex: Speed up mutex_spin_on_owner() by not taking the RCU lock Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-10 17:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:05                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 19:43                 ` [PATCH 2/2] locking/rwsem: Use a return variable in rwsem_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09 19:58                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 20:58                     ` Jason Low
2015-04-09 21:07                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 19:59                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-09 20:36                 ` Jason Low
2015-04-10  2:43                   ` Andev
2015-04-10  9:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-08 19:49 ` [PATCH 0/2] locking: Simplify mutex and rwsem spinning code Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-08 20:10   ` Jason Low

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