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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:48:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFy5TKacYVk=UoL377-jcSoagetGxrORbLi+MOY-VYOz=g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5527C700.3030405@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> However, I'm an -Os guy. Expect -O2 people to disagree :)

I used to be an -Os guy too. I'm a big believer in I$ density.

HOWEVER.

It turns out that gcc's -Os is just horrible nasty crap. It doesn't
actually make good tradeoffs for code density, because it doesn't make
any tradeoffs at all. It tries to choose small code, even when it's
ridiculously bad small code.

For example, a 24-byte static memcpy is best done as three quad-word
load/store pairs. That's very cheap, and not at all unreasonable.

But what does gcc do? It does a "rep movsl".

Seriously. That's *shit*. It absolutely kills performance on some very
critical code.

I'm not making that up. Try "-O2" and "-Os" on the appended trivial
code. Yes, the "rep movsl" is smaller, but it's incredibly expensive,
particularly if the result is partially used afterwards.

And I'm not a hater of "rep movs" - not at all. I think that "rep
movsb" is basically a perfect way to tell the CPU "do an optimized
memcpy with whatever cache situation you have". So I'm a big fan of
the string instructions, but only when appropriate. And "appropriate"
here very much includes "I don't know the memory copy size, so I'm
going to call out to some complex generic code that does all kinds of
size checks and tricks".

Replacing three pairs of "mov" instructions with a "rep movs" is insane.

(There are a couple of other examples of that kind of issues with
"-Os". Like using "imul $15" instead of single shift-by-4 and
subtract. Again, the "imul" is certainly smaller, but can have quite
bad latency and throughput issues).

So I'm no longer a fan of -Os. It disables too many obviously good
code optimizations.

                   Linus

---
struct dummy {
        unsigned long a, b, c;
};

void test(struct dummy *a, struct dummy *b)
{
        *b = *a;
}

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-10 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-08 19:39 [PATCH 0/2] locking: Simplify mutex and rwsem spinning code Jason Low
2015-04-08 19:39 ` [PATCH 1/2] locking/mutex: Further refactor mutex_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09  9:00   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/mutex: Further simplify mutex_spin_on_owner() tip-bot for Jason Low
2015-04-08 19:39 ` [PATCH 2/2] locking/rwsem: Use a return variable in rwsem_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09  5:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-09  6:40     ` Jason Low
2015-04-09  7:53       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-09 16:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 17:56           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 18:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 18:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-09 18:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-10  9:00                   ` [PATCH] mutex: Speed up mutex_spin_on_owner() by not taking the RCU lock Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10  9:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10  9:21                       ` [PATCH] uaccess: Add __copy_from_kernel_inatomic() primitive Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:14                         ` [PATCH] x86/uaccess: Implement get_kernel() Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:27                           ` [PATCH] mutex: Improve mutex_spin_on_owner() code generation Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:08                             ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:18                               ` [PATCH] x86: Pack function addresses tightly as well Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:30                                 ` [PATCH] x86: Pack loops " Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 13:46                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-15  9:40                                   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  6:03                                   ` [tip:x86/apic] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15  9:39                                 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Pack function addresses " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15 18:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-15 20:52                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-17  5:58                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  7:09                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17  7:30                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-18  9:28                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-19 21:38                                       ` [RFC PATCH] x86/64: Optimize the effective instruction cache footprint of kernel functions Ingo Molnar
2015-05-20  0:47                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-20 12:21                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-21 11:36                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-21 11:38                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2016-04-16 21:08                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-20 13:09                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-20 11:29                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-21 13:28                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-21 14:03                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 12:50                               ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 13:18                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-04-10 17:54                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:32                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-04-11 14:41                                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-12 10:14                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 16:23                                       ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-13 17:26                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-13 18:31                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-13 19:09                                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14  5:38                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14  8:23                                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14  9:16                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14 11:17                                                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-14 12:09                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2015-04-12 23:44                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-04-10 19:23                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-11 13:48                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-10 13:19                               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 13:54                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 14:01                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 14:53                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 15:25                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 15:48                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-04-10 15:54                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 21:44                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-10 18:54                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 14:10                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-11 14:28                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-04-11  9:20                               ` [PATCH] x86: Turn off GCC branch probability heuristics Ingo Molnar
2015-04-11 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-11 18:57                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-04-11 19:35                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-12  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  6:20                                         ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2015-04-12 10:15                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  7:56                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-12  7:41                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12  8:07                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-12 21:11                                     ` Jan Hubicka
2015-05-14 11:59                               ` [PATCH] x86: Align jump targets to 1 byte boundaries Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-14 18:17                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-14 19:04                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-14 19:44                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15 15:45                                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-17  5:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-17 19:18                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-18  6:48                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-15  9:39                               ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Align jump targets to 1-byte boundaries tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 11:34                           ` [PATCH] x86/uaccess: Implement get_kernel() Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-10 18:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 17:49                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 18:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-10 14:20                     ` [PATCH] mutex: Speed up mutex_spin_on_owner() by not taking the RCU lock Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-10 17:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-10 18:05                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 19:43                 ` [PATCH 2/2] locking/rwsem: Use a return variable in rwsem_spin_on_owner() Jason Low
2015-04-09 19:58                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 20:58                     ` Jason Low
2015-04-09 21:07                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-09 19:59                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-09 20:36                 ` Jason Low
2015-04-10  2:43                   ` Andev
2015-04-10  9:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-08 19:49 ` [PATCH 0/2] locking: Simplify mutex and rwsem spinning code Davidlohr Bueso
2015-04-08 20:10   ` Jason Low

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