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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: armbru@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] [PATCH 11/34] block: Allow references for backing files
Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:30:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150527133035.GF4669@noname.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150527123118.GE4669@noname.str.redhat.com>

Am 27.05.2015 um 14:31 hat Kevin Wolf geschrieben:
> Am 21.05.2015 um 07:47 hat Wen Congyang geschrieben:
> > On 05/09/2015 01:21 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > For bs->file, using references to existing BDSes has been possible for a
> > > while already. This patch enables the same for bs->backing_hd.
> > 
> > 1. We reference to an existing BDSes, and some disk uses this blk. Do
> > we allow this?
> 
> Currently yes. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
> 
> As long as your guest device is read-only, it should just work. It would
> be a very bad idea, though, to write to a backing file.
> 
> Op blockers should eventually prevent this from happening (Jeff, you may
> want to take a note ;-))
> 
> > 2. bs->backing_hd->blk can be not NULL now? If we do an active commit
> > to this backing file(use mirror job), we will call bdrv_swap() in
> > mirror_exit(), and the function bdrv_swap() doesn't allow that
> > new_bs->blk(here is bs->backing_hd) is not NULL.
> 
> You're right.
> 
> I can remove this patch from the series for now, but of course that
> doesn't solve the problem.

On second thought, I don't want to remove the patch from the series
because then I don't have test cases for backing files that don't
inherit option from their parents. (Also, it would lead to some
conflicts through the series.)

> I'm not sure what to do about it. Making
> bdrv_swap() work with BDSes that have BB attached is probably another
> item in the list of "dynamic reconfiguration" problems.
> 
> Markus, any ideas?

So it would be even more important to figure out what to do with
bdrv_swap().

Paolo, you added that bunch of assertions to bdrv_swap() when you
introduced it in commit 4ddc07ca. Did you just add them because they
were true at the time, or is anything actually relying on these
invariants?

What do we actually want to happen? Let's assume a small chain of
backing files:

        +---------- A-BlockBackend
        |
        |    +----- B-BlockBackend
        |    |
base <- A <- B

After completing the commit operation, what we want to have for the BB
of B is clear:

        +---------- B-BlockBackend
        |
base <- A

If we just remove the assertions that are currently present in
bdrv_swap(), I think we'd end up with this:

             +----- A-BlockBackend
             |
        +---------- B-BlockBackend
        |    |
base <- A <- B

This is probably surprising for the user if they ever look at
A-BlockBackend again. It's also surprising because (unlike the case
without a BB for A) B is actually still referenced and therefore the
file stays opened.

I suspect what we really want is this (which is not swapping):

        +---------- A-BlockBackend
        |
        +---------- B-BlockBackend
        |
base <- A

Both BBs point to the same BDS now and B is actually closed.

Any opinions on this?

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-27 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-08 17:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/34] block: Cache mode for children, reopen overhaul and more Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/34] qdict: Add qdict_array_entries() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 20:06   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 21:22     ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:40     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 15:28       ` Eric Blake
2015-05-20 14:19     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Alberto Garcia
2015-05-11 13:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/34] qdict: Add qdict_{set,copy}_default() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 21:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/34] qdict: Add qdict_{set, copy}_default() Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:06     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 14:16   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/34] quorum: Use bdrv_open_image() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 21:33   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:27   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:07   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-20 14:46   ` Alberto Garcia
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/34] vmdk: " Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:00   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:35   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/34] block: Use macro for cache option names Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:54   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:40   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-11 14:51     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 14:59       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-11 15:00   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:14   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-20 14:49   ` Alberto Garcia
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/34] block: Use QemuOpts in bdrv_open_common() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:57   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:57   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/34] block: Move flag inheritance to bdrv_open_inherited() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:20   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:20   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 13:32     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-28 11:10   ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/34] block: Add list of children to BlockDriverState Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:34   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:45   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:23     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-10 12:09     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-10 13:48       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-27 11:30   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/34] block: Add BlockDriverState.inherits_from Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:39   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:50   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/34] block: Fix reopen flag inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:04   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:32   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/34] block: Allow references for backing files Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:19   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:46   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-21  5:47   ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-27 12:31     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-27 13:30       ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2015-05-27 13:44         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-28  0:59       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2015-05-28  9:48         ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-28  9:58           ` Wen Congyang
2015-06-01  2:01       ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/34] block: Allow specifying driver-specific options to reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:35   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:59   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/34] qemu-io: Add command 'reopen' Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:50   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 15:05   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  8:37     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/34] qcow2: Factor out qcow2_update_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:04   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:11     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 17:04       ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:21   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 11:28   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/34] qcow2: Move qcow2_update_options() call up Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:15   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:25   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/34] qcow2: Move rest of option handling to qcow2_update_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:47   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:38   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/34] qcow2: Leave s unchanged on qcow2_update_options() failure Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:57   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/34] qcow2: Fix memory leak in qcow2_update_options() error path Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:26   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:52   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 12:02     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:04       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/34] qcow2: Make qcow2_update_options() suitable for transactions Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:40   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:21     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:06   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/34] qcow2: Support updating driver-specific options in reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:47   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:26     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/34] block: Consider all block layer options in append_open_options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:59   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 12:26   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/34] block: Exclude nested options only for children in append_open_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:49   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 12:50     ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/34] block: Pass driver-specific options to .bdrv_refresh_filename() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:57   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/34] block: Keep "driver" in bs->options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 13:22   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/34] block: Allow specifying child options in reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 13:41   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/34] block: reopen: Document option precedence and refactor accordingly Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 14:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/34] block: Add infrastructure for option inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 15:10   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 15:28     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/34] block: Introduce bs->explicit_options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 17:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-10-29 11:38     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/34] qemu-iotests: Remove cache mode test without medium Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 17:53   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/34] block: reopen: Extract QemuOpts for generic block layer options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:07   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/34] block: Move cache options into options QDict Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:43   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-15 19:44     ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 32/34] qemu-iotests: Try setting cache mode for children Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:52   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 33/34] qemu-iotests: Test cache mode option inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 19:16   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-18 14:39     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-18 15:32       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 34/34] qemu-iotests: Test reopen with node-name/driver options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 19:19   ` Max Reitz

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