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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
Cc: armbru@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	mreitz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] [PATCH 11/34] block: Allow references for backing files
Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:44:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5565CA2A.1070409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150527133035.GF4669@noname.str.redhat.com>



On 27/05/2015 15:30, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> So it would be even more important to figure out what to do with
> bdrv_swap().
> 
> Paolo, you added that bunch of assertions to bdrv_swap() when you
> introduced it in commit 4ddc07ca. Did you just add them because they
> were true at the time, or is anything actually relying on these
> invariants?

When I added bdrv_swap, the idea was to bs_new was either being closed
afterwards,  or (for bdrv_append) it would be the backing file of bs_top.

In either case, the assertions would make sure that nothing would break
when further manipulating bs_new.

Are they being relied on?  Probably not, but some violations would be
just weird, such as a device attached to a non-topmost BDS, or a job
attached to the old version of a mirrored disk.

> What do we actually want to happen? Let's assume a small chain of
> backing files:
> 
>         +---------- A-BlockBackend
>         |
>         |    +----- B-BlockBackend
>         |    |
> base <- A <- B
> 
> After completing the commit operation, what we want to have for the BB
> of B is clear:
> 
>         +---------- B-BlockBackend
>         |
> base <- A
> 
> If we just remove the assertions that are currently present in
> bdrv_swap(), I think we'd end up with this:
> 
>              +----- A-BlockBackend
>              |
>         +---------- B-BlockBackend
>         |    |
> base <- A <- B
> 
> This is probably surprising for the user if they ever look at
> A-BlockBackend again. It's also surprising because (unlike the case
> without a BB for A) B is actually still referenced and therefore the
> file stays opened.
> 
> I suspect what we really want is this (which is not swapping):
> 
>         +---------- A-BlockBackend
>         |
>         +---------- B-BlockBackend
>         |
> base <- A
> 
> Both BBs point to the same BDS now and B is actually closed.

Correct.  Swapping was just a trick to do things underneath the device's
feet, effectively emulating BlockBackends.

Since I'm not very much up-to-date with the block device graph stuff, do
BDSes have a list of BlockBackends that point to them, so that they can
redirect all those BlockBackends to the backing file?

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-27 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-08 17:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/34] block: Cache mode for children, reopen overhaul and more Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/34] qdict: Add qdict_array_entries() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 20:06   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 21:22     ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:40     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 15:28       ` Eric Blake
2015-05-20 14:19     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Alberto Garcia
2015-05-11 13:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/34] qdict: Add qdict_{set,copy}_default() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 21:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/34] qdict: Add qdict_{set, copy}_default() Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:06     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 14:16   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/34] quorum: Use bdrv_open_image() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 21:33   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:27   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:07   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-20 14:46   ` Alberto Garcia
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/34] vmdk: " Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:00   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:35   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/34] block: Use macro for cache option names Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:54   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:40   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-11 14:51     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 14:59       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-11 15:00   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 19:14   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Jeff Cody
2015-05-20 14:49   ` Alberto Garcia
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/34] block: Use QemuOpts in bdrv_open_common() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 22:57   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 14:57   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/34] block: Move flag inheritance to bdrv_open_inherited() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:20   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:20   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 13:32     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-28 11:10   ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/34] block: Add list of children to BlockDriverState Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:34   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:45   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:23     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-10 12:09     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-06-10 13:48       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-27 11:30   ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/34] block: Add BlockDriverState.inherits_from Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 23:39   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-11 15:50   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/34] block: Fix reopen flag inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:04   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:32   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/34] block: Allow references for backing files Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:19   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:46   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-21  5:47   ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-27 12:31     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-27 13:30       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Kevin Wolf
2015-05-27 13:44         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2015-05-28  0:59       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2015-05-28  9:48         ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-28  9:58           ` Wen Congyang
2015-06-01  2:01       ` Wen Congyang
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/34] block: Allow specifying driver-specific options to reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:35   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 14:59   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/34] qemu-io: Add command 'reopen' Kevin Wolf
2015-05-11 16:50   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-12 15:05   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  8:37     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/34] qcow2: Factor out qcow2_update_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:04   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:11     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 17:04       ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:21   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 11:28   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/34] qcow2: Move qcow2_update_options() call up Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:15   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:25   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/34] qcow2: Move rest of option handling to qcow2_update_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:47   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:38   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/34] qcow2: Leave s unchanged on qcow2_update_options() failure Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 20:57   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/34] qcow2: Fix memory leak in qcow2_update_options() error path Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:26   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 11:52   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 12:02     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:04       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/34] qcow2: Make qcow2_update_options() suitable for transactions Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:40   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:21     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:06   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/34] qcow2: Support updating driver-specific options in reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:47   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13  9:26     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/34] block: Consider all block layer options in append_open_options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-12 21:59   ` Eric Blake
2015-05-13 12:26   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/34] block: Exclude nested options only for children in append_open_options() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:49   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 12:50     ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/34] block: Pass driver-specific options to .bdrv_refresh_filename() Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 12:57   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/34] block: Keep "driver" in bs->options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 13:22   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/34] block: Allow specifying child options in reopen Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 13:41   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/34] block: reopen: Document option precedence and refactor accordingly Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 14:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/34] block: Add infrastructure for option inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-13 15:10   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-13 15:28     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/34] block: Introduce bs->explicit_options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 17:47   ` Max Reitz
2015-10-29 11:38     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/34] qemu-iotests: Remove cache mode test without medium Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 17:53   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/34] block: reopen: Extract QemuOpts for generic block layer options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:07   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/34] block: Move cache options into options QDict Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:43   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-15 19:44     ` Eric Blake
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 32/34] qemu-iotests: Try setting cache mode for children Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 18:52   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 33/34] qemu-iotests: Test cache mode option inheritance Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 19:16   ` Max Reitz
2015-05-18 14:39     ` Kevin Wolf
2015-05-18 15:32       ` Max Reitz
2015-05-08 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 34/34] qemu-iotests: Test reopen with node-name/driver options Kevin Wolf
2015-05-15 19:19   ` Max Reitz

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