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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	jic23@jic23.retrosnub.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 19:53:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150709185316.GO11162@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <559EBD4C.6030502@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 11:28:28AM -0700, Frank Rowand wrote:
> On 7/8/2015 9:06 PM, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-07-08 at 13:08 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> >> On 07/08/2015 11:53 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> >>> I personally don't trust a Reviewed-by tag much, as I sometimes see
> >>> them appear without any comments.
> 
> I don't expect my Reviewed-by tag with no extra comments to carry much weight
> if I send it to a maintainer who does not know me.

> But if I have a history of good reviews to a specific maintainer, then why
> should I have to add a message that says: Yes, I really, really did review
> the patch.  I truly mean that the patch "has been reviewed and found acceptable
> according to the Reviewer's Statement" as listed in SubmittingPatches.

> And I read Steve's qualification of "don't trust ... _much_" as being
> consistent with what I am saying, so I'm fine with that.  The point I
> want to make is that a Reviewed-by tag without comments should not
> always be assumed to be without meaning or value.

Indeed, and when I'm the one dealing with applying the patches it's
actually helpful to not have extra text that needs reading and
thinking about when applying things if I trust whoever did the review.
Past history as a reviewer is much more important than any verbiage
around the review and review that consists of a simple tag takes seconds
to read.

> >> Seriously, it does happen that I send Reviewed-by: or Acked-by: feedback if
> >> a patch is just fine as-is. What do you expect the reviewer to do in such
> >> a case ?

> > There's almost always something you can say.

> And there is a time to not nit-pick a patch to death.

> If my comment will not result in a significantly better patch, then I am
> wasting the patch submitter's time, and the time of everyone else on the
> mail list that will have to read my comment, and potentially have to read
> and review a new spin of the patch.

Very much so.

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Thread overview: 359+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-07 23:21 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Peter Huewe
2015-07-07 23:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  0:50   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08  1:40     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11           ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00               ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11  8:32                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11                   ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49                       ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16  9:21                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:26                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16  9:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:38                           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11  4:34                     ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10  8:19                 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10  8:54                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12  2:02                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12  5:19                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12  8:19                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48                         ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43             ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38             ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05  7:48               ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16                 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  0:55               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  2:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  0:35             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10  2:07               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40                     ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43                         ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54                             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56                     ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07                         ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03                   ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11                     ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54                   ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:00                     ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23               ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  0:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:13                   ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  2:39                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04                       ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27                         ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14  2:24                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  5:54                     ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35                             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45                               ` Greg KH
2015-07-12  1:16                                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16  1:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25                         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56                             ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41                             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57                               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04                             ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12                               ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                     ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18  1:42                                         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18  3:48                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09                                         ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49                                                       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01                                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46                                                       ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28                                     ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36                                       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17                                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16                                     ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59                                         ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43                                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30                                           ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02                                               ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40                                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58                                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26                                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02                                       ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24                                           ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48                                               ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20  2:34                                                     ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  5:16                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  5:19                                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20  7:15                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:48                                                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:58                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21  0:25                                                           ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20  9:08                                                         ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  7:08                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:27                                                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30                                                         ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03                                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49                                                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21  6:08                                                                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  6:15                                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21  5:57                                                             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20  8:44                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:23                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21  2:00                                                                 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21  6:00                                                                   ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  8:54                                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57                                                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10                                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:44                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:48                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 15:41                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 16:29                                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-21 17:35                                                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-20 16:34                                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-18  6:17                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-19 22:21                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-20  7:18                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:05                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 12:35                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-20 16:12                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 17:33                                 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-17 16:10                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 16:23                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 12:27                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-18 10:50                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-18 12:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 21:29                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-18 22:59                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 11:11                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 15:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:00             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:34             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 16:58               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 17:32             ` Christian Couder
2015-07-10 17:49               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:35                 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-10 22:49                   ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:18                     ` Laura Abbott
2015-07-12 10:53                     ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-11  9:31             ` [Ksummit-discuss] checkpatch.pl stuff Dan Carpenter
2015-07-11 11:34               ` Heiko Carstens
2015-07-11 12:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 13:42                   ` Joe Perches
2015-07-08 14:20     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 14:34       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 15:20         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 19:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-08 19:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09  3:56         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05           ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-14  5:41             ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-14 10:11               ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08  0:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 18:06   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 19:27     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08  1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08  1:14   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08  1:49     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08  3:40       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-08  7:08       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  2:03     ` Krzysztof Kozłowski
2015-07-08  7:04       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  7:52         ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:52           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 12:42         ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:09           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 19:21             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:35               ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 15:43         ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  2:11     ` Greg KH
2015-07-08  7:52       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43       ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11           ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 19:38             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08  8:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-08  7:37   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-08  8:00     ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:57       ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 18:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:56         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 20:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09 17:50               ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-08 20:08         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09  4:06           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-09 18:28             ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-09 18:53               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2015-07-09 19:23               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 19:47                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:13                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 20:50                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 21:47                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 23:13                         ` josh
2015-07-09 23:56                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 20:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 21:04                             ` josh
2015-07-26 23:13                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-10 18:20                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-10 18:32                           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 18:58                           ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:24                             ` Guenter
2015-07-10 21:14                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  0:52                                 ` Guenter
2015-07-13 19:28                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  1:04                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 21:00                             ` josh
2015-07-11  1:06                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 20:23                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 20:48                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:52                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:44             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 21:01               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-09 19:39         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:21           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-09 21:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10  0:14             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  1:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  1:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  3:13               ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11  1:00           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12  3:48             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-12  5:23               ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 12:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-13 14:20                   ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 14:33                     ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 16:28                       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 17:58                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  4:38                         ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-14  5:56                           ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  7:00                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 15:16                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-14 15:52                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-14 18:04                               ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 18:01                             ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-12 15:35               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 14:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:29   ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 22:18     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 23:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-12 19:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 15:09       ` John W. Linville
2015-07-09 17:45         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 18:08           ` John W. Linville
2015-07-10 13:07             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 18:37         ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-09 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 13:03         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 17:55 ` Mark Brown

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