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From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Guenter <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	jic23@jic23.retrosnub.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:04:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150711010404.GX23515@io.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150710202407.GC9469@groeck-UX31A>

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 01:24:07PM -0700, Guenter wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 06:58:00PM +0000, Jason Cooper wrote:
> > > Agreed. On the other side, is gaming really a problem with kernel code
> > > reviews ? Sure, a search engine provider will have to look out for
> > > abuse patterns, but for code reviews I am not sure if it is worth the
> > > effort. I would suspect that it is much more likely that the simple
> > > "wc -w" approach should provide you with worthy candidates for the KS.
> > > Since you are not dealing with hundreds or thousands of candidates,
> > > I'd assume you'll do a hand screening anyway, and quickly identify any
> > > gamers. I'd be quite surprised if there are any, though.
> > 
> > I've personally seen it, and I don't think I'm alone.  It seems to follow
> > a pattern of:
> > 
> >  - Manager/HR thinks counting tags is a useful metric (#!@$ laziness).
> >  - tag-count becomes an evaluation item.
> >  - Pay raises are affected.
> >  - patch submitters do the obvious.
> >  - maintainers weep and die a little inside.
> > 
> Sigh :-(. Guess I never had the pleasure of working for any of those
> companies, and the areas of the kernel I care about may be too obscure
> to get much attention by the gamers.
> 
> > The easy ones to spot are multiple-S-o-bs.  I've actually been told "No,
> > he didn't write any code, I was just trying to help him out."
> > 
> Multiple S-o-b's don't always mean gaming, though. 

Agreed, if two people edited a patch, or there's one person approved to
cleanup/email LKML, etc.  Then multiple-SoB makes sense wrt DCO.  My
wording could have been better.  I had a specific incident in mind, but
that doesn't make a rule.

thx,

Jason.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-11  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 359+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-07 23:21 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Peter Huewe
2015-07-07 23:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  0:50   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08  1:40     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08 19:45       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 19:37         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:11           ` josh
2015-07-09 20:38             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:00               ` josh
2015-07-09 21:03                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 21:42                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-11  8:32                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 21:24                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 21:46                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:11                   ` josh
2015-07-09 23:30                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-09 23:35                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:49                       ` josh
2015-07-12 21:44                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-16  9:21                         ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:26                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16  9:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-16  9:38                           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-11  4:34                     ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-10  8:19                 ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-10 17:06                   ` Luck, Tony
2015-07-10  8:54                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12  2:02                   ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12  5:19                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12  8:19                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-12 10:48                         ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-12 18:23                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-13 10:48                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 15:32                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:32                   ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-09 20:43             ` Darren Hart
2015-08-03 12:38             ` Fengguang Wu
2015-08-05  7:48               ` Darren Hart
2015-08-05 23:16                 ` Fengguang Wu
2015-07-09 22:31           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:08             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-09 23:38             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:41               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-09 23:59                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  0:55               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  2:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  0:35             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10  2:07               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 12:44                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 18:24                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 20:40                     ` josh
2015-07-13 10:00                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 19:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:00                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:31                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 20:40                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 20:43                         ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-12 10:23                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-10 23:09                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 23:54                             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 20:56                     ` josh
2015-07-10 21:03                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-10 21:07                         ` josh
2015-07-10 23:11                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:28                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 18:22                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 23:01                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-12 10:17                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-12 22:00                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 10:11                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-13 10:21                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-13 16:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-13 17:59                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14 15:31                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-14 17:05                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:03                   ` Tim Bird
2015-07-10 20:11                     ` Guenter
2015-07-10 20:54                   ` josh
2015-07-10 22:57                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:00                     ` Dan Williams
2015-07-10 12:32             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 15:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:22                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 14:36           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-10 16:07             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 22:23               ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  0:00                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  0:13                   ` Greg KH
2015-07-11  2:39                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11 15:04                       ` Greg KH
2015-07-12 21:27                         ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-14 23:58                           ` Darren Hart
2015-07-14  2:24                         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-11  5:54                     ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-11 13:29                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-11 15:18                         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 16:45                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-11 19:35                             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-11 22:45                               ` Greg KH
2015-07-12  1:16                                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-16  1:20                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:25                         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 13:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 13:56                             ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-16 15:03                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:41                             ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:46                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 15:12                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:27                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-16 18:39                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 14:57                               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:18                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 15:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:04                             ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 15:12                               ` Ralf Baechle
2015-07-16 15:26                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:34                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:51                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:12                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 15:41                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-16 15:50                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:52                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:10                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-16 15:57                                 ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-17 16:19                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-16 16:09                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                     ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 16:52                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18  1:42                                         ` NeilBrown
2015-07-18  3:48                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-31 13:09                                         ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-31 14:22                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:16                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 18:19                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-08-01 18:42                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-08-01 22:16                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-08-01 22:45                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-08-03 15:49                                                       ` Mark Brown
2015-08-03 15:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 16:01                                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-08-02 12:12                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-08-02 22:46                                                       ` NeilBrown
2015-07-16 16:28                                     ` Greg KH
2015-07-16 17:36                                       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-31 13:17                                       ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-07-17 10:16                                     ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-17 12:21                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 16:24                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-07-16 17:15                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-16 18:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 16:11                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-17 16:59                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-17 17:06                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 18:59                                         ` josh
2015-07-17 17:37                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 17:43                                       ` James Bottomley
2015-07-17 17:53                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 19:30                                           ` Chris Mason
2015-07-17 19:46                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:02                                               ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 17:40                                                 ` Tim Bird
2015-07-20 17:58                                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-07-20 18:26                                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17 18:05                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 19:02                                       ` josh
2015-07-17 19:43                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:24                                           ` josh
2015-07-17 20:39                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-17 20:48                                               ` josh
2015-07-17 20:55                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-19 22:19                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-19 22:40                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-19 23:02                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-20  2:34                                                     ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  5:16                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  5:19                                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20  7:15                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:48                                                           ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:58                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:15                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 22:35                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-21  0:25                                                           ` NeilBrown
2015-07-20  9:08                                                         ` Zefan Li
2015-07-20  7:08                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20  8:27                                                       ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20 20:30                                                         ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 22:12                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 22:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2015-07-20 23:03                                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-20 23:49                                                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-21  6:08                                                                 ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  6:15                                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-21  5:57                                                             ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-20  8:44                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-20  9:23                                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 10:04                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 10:30                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:09                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-21  2:00                                                                 ` Zefan Li
2015-07-21  6:00                                                                   ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-21  8:54                                                                   ` NeilBrown
2015-07-22 13:04                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 13:57                                                                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-22 14:10                                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 14:42                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:44                                                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 14:48                                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-22 15:41                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2015-07-22 16:29                                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-21 17:35                                                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-20 16:34                                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-18  6:17                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-19 22:21                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2015-07-20  7:18                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-07-20 11:05                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-07-20 12:35                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-20 16:12                                       ` Tim Bird
2015-07-16 17:33                                 ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-17 16:10                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-17 16:23                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 12:27                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-18 10:50                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-18 12:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-18 21:29                               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-18 22:59                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 11:11                     ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 15:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 16:00             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 16:34             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-10 16:58               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 17:32             ` Christian Couder
2015-07-10 17:49               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 19:35                 ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-10 22:49                   ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 23:18                     ` Laura Abbott
2015-07-12 10:53                     ` Roberto Tyley
2015-07-11  9:31             ` [Ksummit-discuss] checkpatch.pl stuff Dan Carpenter
2015-07-11 11:34               ` Heiko Carstens
2015-07-11 12:51                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-11 13:42                   ` Joe Perches
2015-07-08 14:20     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] Recruitment (Reviewers, Testers, Maintainers, Hobbyists) Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 14:34       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 15:20         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-07-08 19:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2015-07-08 19:48         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09  3:56         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 11:05           ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-14  5:41             ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-14 10:11               ` Damien Lespiau
2015-07-08 16:43   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 18:08     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08  0:16 ` Greg KH
2015-07-08 18:06   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 19:27     ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 19:35       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08  1:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08  1:14   ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08  1:49     ` NeilBrown
2015-07-08  3:40       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-08  7:08       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  2:03     ` Krzysztof Kozłowski
2015-07-08  7:04       ` Peter Hüwe
2015-07-08  7:52         ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:52           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 12:42         ` Jonathan Corbet
2015-07-08 15:02         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 16:36           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-08 18:05             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:09           ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 19:21             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:35               ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 15:43         ` John W. Linville
2015-07-12 19:37         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08  2:11     ` Greg KH
2015-07-08  7:52       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-08 11:07       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-08 11:43       ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 18:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:11           ` Josh Boyer
2015-07-08 19:38             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08  8:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-08  7:37   ` James Bottomley
2015-07-08  8:00     ` jic23
2015-07-08  9:57       ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 18:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 19:56         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-08 20:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 21:31             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09 17:50               ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-08 20:08         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09  4:06           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-09 18:28             ` Frank Rowand
2015-07-09 18:53               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:23               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 19:47                 ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:13                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 20:50                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 21:47                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-09 23:13                         ` josh
2015-07-09 23:56                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10 20:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10 21:04                             ` josh
2015-07-26 23:13                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-10 18:20                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-10 18:32                           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-10 18:58                           ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-10 20:24                             ` Guenter
2015-07-10 21:14                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  0:52                                 ` Guenter
2015-07-13 19:28                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-07-11  1:04                               ` Jason Cooper [this message]
2015-07-10 21:00                             ` josh
2015-07-11  1:06                               ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 20:23                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 20:48                     ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 23:52                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-09 19:44             ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 21:01               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-09 19:39         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-09 20:21           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-07-09 21:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-10  0:14             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-07-10  1:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10  1:54               ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10  3:13               ` Julia Lawall
2015-07-10 18:14         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-11  1:00           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-07-12  3:48             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-12  5:23               ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-12 12:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-13 14:20                   ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 14:33                     ` Jan Kara
2015-07-13 16:28                       ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-13 17:58                         ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  4:38                         ` Sudip Mukherjee
2015-07-14  5:56                           ` Jonathan Cameron
2015-07-14  7:00                           ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 15:16                           ` Greg KH
2015-07-14 15:52                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-07-14 18:04                               ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-14 18:01                             ` Dan Carpenter
2015-07-12 15:35               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-08 14:07 ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 19:29   ` Peter Huewe
2015-07-08 22:18     ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 23:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-12 19:53         ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-07-09 15:09       ` John W. Linville
2015-07-09 17:45         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-07-09 18:08           ` John W. Linville
2015-07-10 13:07             ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-09 18:37         ` Olof Johansson
2015-07-09 19:02         ` Darren Hart
2015-07-10 13:03         ` Jason Cooper
2015-07-08 17:55 ` Mark Brown

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