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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mhocko@kernel.org
Cc: hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	mgorman@suse.de, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@redhat.com,
	rientjes@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] mm, oom: refactor oom detection
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:32:27 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201510302232.FCH52626.OQJOFHSVFFOtLM@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151030101436.GH18429@dhcp22.suse.cz>

Michal Hocko wrote:
> +		target -= (stall_backoff * target + MAX_STALL_BACKOFF - 1) / MAX_STALL_BACKOFF;
target -= DIV_ROUND_UP(stall_backoff * target, MAX_STALL_BACKOFF);



Michal Hocko wrote:
> This alone wouldn't be sufficient, though, because the writeback might
> get stuck and reclaimable pages might be pinned for a really long time
> or even depend on the current allocation context.

Is this a dependency which I worried at
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/201510262044.BAI43236.FOMSFFOtOVLJQH@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp ?

>                                                   Therefore there is a
> feedback mechanism implemented which reduces the reclaim target after
> each reclaim round without any progress.

If yes, this feedback mechanism will help avoiding infinite wait loop.

>                                          This means that we should
> eventually converge to only NR_FREE_PAGES as the target and fail on the
> wmark check and proceed to OOM.

What if all in-flight allocation requests are !__GFP_NOFAIL && !__GFP_FS ?
(In other words, either "no __GFP_FS allocations are in-flight" or "all
__GFP_FS allocations are in-flight but are either waiting for completion
of operations which depend on !__GFP_FS allocations with a lock held or
waiting for that lock to be released".)

Don't we need to call out_of_memory() even though !__GFP_FS allocations?

>                                 The backoff is simple and linear with
> 1/16 of the reclaimable pages for each round without any progress. We
> are optimistic and reset counter for successful reclaim rounds.

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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mhocko@kernel.org
Cc: hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	mgorman@suse.de, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@redhat.com,
	rientjes@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] mm, oom: refactor oom detection
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:32:27 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201510302232.FCH52626.OQJOFHSVFFOtLM@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151030101436.GH18429@dhcp22.suse.cz>

Michal Hocko wrote:
> +		target -= (stall_backoff * target + MAX_STALL_BACKOFF - 1) / MAX_STALL_BACKOFF;
target -= DIV_ROUND_UP(stall_backoff * target, MAX_STALL_BACKOFF);



Michal Hocko wrote:
> This alone wouldn't be sufficient, though, because the writeback might
> get stuck and reclaimable pages might be pinned for a really long time
> or even depend on the current allocation context.

Is this a dependency which I worried at
http://lkml.kernel.org/r/201510262044.BAI43236.FOMSFFOtOVLJQH@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp ?

>                                                   Therefore there is a
> feedback mechanism implemented which reduces the reclaim target after
> each reclaim round without any progress.

If yes, this feedback mechanism will help avoiding infinite wait loop.

>                                          This means that we should
> eventually converge to only NR_FREE_PAGES as the target and fail on the
> wmark check and proceed to OOM.

What if all in-flight allocation requests are !__GFP_NOFAIL && !__GFP_FS ?
(In other words, either "no __GFP_FS allocations are in-flight" or "all
__GFP_FS allocations are in-flight but are either waiting for completion
of operations which depend on !__GFP_FS allocations with a lock held or
waiting for that lock to be released".)

Don't we need to call out_of_memory() even though !__GFP_FS allocations?

>                                 The backoff is simple and linear with
> 1/16 of the reclaimable pages for each round without any progress. We
> are optimistic and reset counter for successful reclaim rounds.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-30 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-29 15:17 RFC: OOM detection rework v1 mhocko
2015-10-29 15:17 ` mhocko
2015-10-29 15:17 ` [RFC 1/3] mm, oom: refactor oom detection mhocko
2015-10-29 15:17   ` mhocko
2015-10-30  4:10   ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-30  4:10     ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-30  8:36     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  8:36       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 10:14       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 10:14         ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 13:32         ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2015-10-30 13:32           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-10-30 14:55           ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 14:55             ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-31  3:57         ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-31  3:57           ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-30  5:23   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30  5:23     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30  8:23     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  8:23       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  9:41       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30  9:41         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30 10:18         ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 10:18           ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-12 12:39   ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-12 12:39     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-29 15:17 ` [RFC 2/3] mm: throttle on IO only when there are too many dirty and writeback pages mhocko
2015-10-29 15:17   ` mhocko
2015-10-30  4:18   ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-30  4:18     ` Hillf Danton
2015-10-30  8:37     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  8:37       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  5:48   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30  5:48     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-10-30  8:38     ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30  8:38       ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-29 15:17 ` [RFC 3/3] mm: use watermak checks for __GFP_REPEAT high order allocations mhocko
2015-10-29 15:17   ` mhocko
2015-11-12 12:44 ` RFC: OOM detection rework v1 Michal Hocko
2015-11-12 12:44   ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-18 13:03 [RFC 0/3] OOM detection rework v2 Michal Hocko
2015-11-18 13:03 ` [RFC 1/3] mm, oom: refactor oom detection Michal Hocko
2015-11-19 23:01   ` David Rientjes
2015-11-20  9:06     ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-20 23:27       ` David Rientjes
2015-11-23  9:41         ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-23 18:24           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-24 10:03             ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-01 12:56 [RFC 0/3] OOM detection rework v3 Michal Hocko
2015-12-01 12:56 ` [RFC 1/3] mm, oom: refactor oom detection Michal Hocko
2015-12-11 16:16   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-12-14 18:34     ` Michal Hocko

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