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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Argangeli <andrea@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm, oom: introduce oom reaper
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:11:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151218121112.GF28443@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151217131356.83d920b7c250a785aa132139@linux-foundation.org>

On Thu 17-12-15 13:13:56, Andrew Morton wrote:
[...]
> Also, re-reading your description:
> 
> : It has been shown (e.g.  by Tetsuo Handa) that it is not that hard to
> : construct workloads which break the core assumption mentioned above and
> : the OOM victim might take unbounded amount of time to exit because it
> : might be blocked in the uninterruptible state waiting for on an event
> : (e.g.  lock) which is blocked by another task looping in the page
> : allocator.
> 
> So the allocating task has done an oom-kill and is waiting for memory
> to become available.  The killed task is stuck on some lock, unable to
> free memory.
> 
> But the problematic lock will sometimes be the killed tasks's mmap_sem,
> so the reaper won't reap anything.  This scenario requires that the
> mmap_sem is held for writing, which sounds like it will be uncommon. 

Yes, I have mentioned that in the changelog:
"
oom_reaper has to take mmap_sem on the target task for reading so the
solution is not 100% because the semaphore might be held or blocked for
write but the probability is reduced considerably wrt. basically any
lock blocking forward progress as described above.
"

Another thing is to do is to change down_write(mmap_sem) to
down_write_killable in most cases where we have a clear ENITR semantic.
This is on my todo list.

> hm.  sigh.  I hate the oom-killer.  Just buy some more memory already!

Tell me something about that...
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Argangeli <andrea@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm, oom: introduce oom reaper
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:11:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151218121112.GF28443@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151217131356.83d920b7c250a785aa132139@linux-foundation.org>

On Thu 17-12-15 13:13:56, Andrew Morton wrote:
[...]
> Also, re-reading your description:
> 
> : It has been shown (e.g.  by Tetsuo Handa) that it is not that hard to
> : construct workloads which break the core assumption mentioned above and
> : the OOM victim might take unbounded amount of time to exit because it
> : might be blocked in the uninterruptible state waiting for on an event
> : (e.g.  lock) which is blocked by another task looping in the page
> : allocator.
> 
> So the allocating task has done an oom-kill and is waiting for memory
> to become available.  The killed task is stuck on some lock, unable to
> free memory.
> 
> But the problematic lock will sometimes be the killed tasks's mmap_sem,
> so the reaper won't reap anything.  This scenario requires that the
> mmap_sem is held for writing, which sounds like it will be uncommon. 

Yes, I have mentioned that in the changelog:
"
oom_reaper has to take mmap_sem on the target task for reading so the
solution is not 100% because the semaphore might be held or blocked for
write but the probability is reduced considerably wrt. basically any
lock blocking forward progress as described above.
"

Another thing is to do is to change down_write(mmap_sem) to
down_write_killable in most cases where we have a clear ENITR semantic.
This is on my todo list.

> hm.  sigh.  I hate the oom-killer.  Just buy some more memory already!

Tell me something about that...
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-15 18:36 [PATCH 1/2] mm, oom: introduce oom reaper Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:36 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-17  0:50 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-17  0:50   ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-17 13:02   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-17 13:02     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-17 19:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-17 19:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-17 20:00       ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-17 20:00         ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 11:54         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 11:54           ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 21:14           ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 21:14             ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-21  8:38             ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-21  8:38               ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-17 21:13     ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-17 21:13       ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 12:11       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2015-12-18 12:11         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 12:10     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-18 12:10       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-20  7:14       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-20  7:14         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-18  0:15 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18  0:15   ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 11:48   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 11:48     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-21 20:38 ` Paul Gortmaker
2015-12-21 20:38   ` Paul Gortmaker
2016-01-06  9:10   ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-06  9:10     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-06 14:26     ` Paul Gortmaker
2016-01-06 14:26       ` Paul Gortmaker
2016-01-06 15:00       ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-06 15:00         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-23 23:00 ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-23 23:00   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-24  9:47   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-24  9:47     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-24 11:06     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-24 11:06       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-24 20:39       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-24 20:39         ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-25 11:41       ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-25 11:41         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-24 20:44     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-24 20:44       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-25 11:35       ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-25 11:35         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-25 11:44         ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-25 11:44           ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-06 15:42 [PATCH 0/2 -mm] oom reaper v4 Michal Hocko
2016-01-06 15:42 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, oom: introduce oom reaper Michal Hocko
2016-01-06 15:42   ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-07 11:23   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-07 11:23     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-07 12:30     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-07 12:30       ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-11 22:54   ` Andrew Morton
2016-01-11 22:54     ` Andrew Morton
2016-01-12  8:16     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-12  8:16       ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28  1:28   ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28  1:28     ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 21:42     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:42       ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-02  3:02       ` David Rientjes
2016-02-02  3:02         ` David Rientjes
2016-02-02  8:57         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-02  8:57           ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-02 11:48           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-02 11:48             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-02 22:55             ` David Rientjes
2016-02-02 22:55               ` David Rientjes
2016-02-02 22:51           ` David Rientjes
2016-02-02 22:51             ` David Rientjes
2016-02-03 10:31             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-03 10:31               ` Tetsuo Handa

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