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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [BUG] random kernel crashes after THP rework on s390 (maybe also on PowerPC and ARM)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:01:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160212100137.GE25087@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160211205702.24f0d17a@thinkpad>

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 08:57:02PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:09:42 +0200
> "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 07:22:23PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> > > Sebastian Ott reported random kernel crashes beginning with v4.5-rc1 and
> > > he also bisected this to commit 61f5d698 "mm: re-enable THP". Further
> > > review of the THP rework patches, which cannot be bisected, revealed
> > > commit fecffad "s390, thp: remove infrastructure for handling splitting PMDs"
> > > (and also similar commits for other archs).
> > > 
> > > This commit removes the THP splitting bit and also the architecture
> > > implementation of pmdp_splitting_flush(), which took care of the IPI for
> > > fast_gup serialization. The commit message says
> > > 
> > >     pmdp_splitting_flush() is not needed too: on splitting PMD we will do
> > >     pmdp_clear_flush() + set_pte_at().  pmdp_clear_flush() will do IPI as
> > >     needed for fast_gup
> > > 
> > > The assumption that a TLB flush will also produce an IPI is wrong on s390,
> > > and maybe also on other architectures, and I thought that this was actually
> > > the main reason for having an arch-specific pmdp_splitting_flush().
> > > 
> > > At least PowerPC and ARM also had an individual implementation of
> > > pmdp_splitting_flush() that used kick_all_cpus_sync() instead of a TLB
> > > flush to send the IPI, and those were also removed. Putting the arch
> > > maintainers and mailing lists on cc to verify.
> > > 
> > > On s390 this will break the IPI serialization against fast_gup, which
> > > would certainly explain the random kernel crashes, please revert or fix
> > > the pmdp_splitting_flush() removal.
> > 
> > Sorry for that.
> > 
> > I believe, the problem was already addressed for PowerPC:
> > 
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/g/454980831-16631-1-git-send-email-aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> > 
> > I think kick_all_cpus_sync() in arch-specific pmdp_invalidate() would do
> > the trick, right?
> 
> Hmm, not sure about that. After pmdp_invalidate(), a pmd_none() check in
> fast_gup will still return false, because the pmd is not empty (at least
> on s390). So I don't see spontaneously how it will help fast_gup to break
> out to the slow path in case of THP splitting.
> 
> > 
> > If yes, I'll prepare patch tomorrow (some sleep required).
> > 
> 
> We'll check if adding kick_all_cpus_sync() to pmdp_invalidate() helps.
> It would also be good if Martin has a look at this, he'll return on
> Monday.

Do you have a reliable way to trigger the "random kernel crashes"? We've not
seen anything reported on arm64, but I don't see why we wouldn't be affected
by the same bug and it would be good to confirm and validate a fix.

Cheers,

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [BUG] random kernel crashes after THP rework on s390 (maybe also on PowerPC and ARM)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:01:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160212100137.GE25087@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160211205702.24f0d17a@thinkpad>

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 08:57:02PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:09:42 +0200
> "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 07:22:23PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> > > Sebastian Ott reported random kernel crashes beginning with v4.5-rc1 and
> > > he also bisected this to commit 61f5d698 "mm: re-enable THP". Further
> > > review of the THP rework patches, which cannot be bisected, revealed
> > > commit fecffad "s390, thp: remove infrastructure for handling splitting PMDs"
> > > (and also similar commits for other archs).
> > > 
> > > This commit removes the THP splitting bit and also the architecture
> > > implementation of pmdp_splitting_flush(), which took care of the IPI for
> > > fast_gup serialization. The commit message says
> > > 
> > >     pmdp_splitting_flush() is not needed too: on splitting PMD we will do
> > >     pmdp_clear_flush() + set_pte_at().  pmdp_clear_flush() will do IPI as
> > >     needed for fast_gup
> > > 
> > > The assumption that a TLB flush will also produce an IPI is wrong on s390,
> > > and maybe also on other architectures, and I thought that this was actually
> > > the main reason for having an arch-specific pmdp_splitting_flush().
> > > 
> > > At least PowerPC and ARM also had an individual implementation of
> > > pmdp_splitting_flush() that used kick_all_cpus_sync() instead of a TLB
> > > flush to send the IPI, and those were also removed. Putting the arch
> > > maintainers and mailing lists on cc to verify.
> > > 
> > > On s390 this will break the IPI serialization against fast_gup, which
> > > would certainly explain the random kernel crashes, please revert or fix
> > > the pmdp_splitting_flush() removal.
> > 
> > Sorry for that.
> > 
> > I believe, the problem was already addressed for PowerPC:
> > 
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/g/454980831-16631-1-git-send-email-aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> > 
> > I think kick_all_cpus_sync() in arch-specific pmdp_invalidate() would do
> > the trick, right?
> 
> Hmm, not sure about that. After pmdp_invalidate(), a pmd_none() check in
> fast_gup will still return false, because the pmd is not empty (at least
> on s390). So I don't see spontaneously how it will help fast_gup to break
> out to the slow path in case of THP splitting.
> 
> > 
> > If yes, I'll prepare patch tomorrow (some sleep required).
> > 
> 
> We'll check if adding kick_all_cpus_sync() to pmdp_invalidate() helps.
> It would also be good if Martin has a look at this, he'll return on
> Monday.

Do you have a reliable way to trigger the "random kernel crashes"? We've not
seen anything reported on arm64, but I don't see why we wouldn't be affected
by the same bug and it would be good to confirm and validate a fix.

Cheers,

Will

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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [BUG] random kernel crashes after THP rework on s390 (maybe also on PowerPC and ARM)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:01:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160212100137.GE25087@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160211205702.24f0d17a@thinkpad>

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 08:57:02PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:09:42 +0200
> "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 07:22:23PM +0100, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> > > Sebastian Ott reported random kernel crashes beginning with v4.5-rc1 and
> > > he also bisected this to commit 61f5d698 "mm: re-enable THP". Further
> > > review of the THP rework patches, which cannot be bisected, revealed
> > > commit fecffad "s390, thp: remove infrastructure for handling splitting PMDs"
> > > (and also similar commits for other archs).
> > > 
> > > This commit removes the THP splitting bit and also the architecture
> > > implementation of pmdp_splitting_flush(), which took care of the IPI for
> > > fast_gup serialization. The commit message says
> > > 
> > >     pmdp_splitting_flush() is not needed too: on splitting PMD we will do
> > >     pmdp_clear_flush() + set_pte_at().  pmdp_clear_flush() will do IPI as
> > >     needed for fast_gup
> > > 
> > > The assumption that a TLB flush will also produce an IPI is wrong on s390,
> > > and maybe also on other architectures, and I thought that this was actually
> > > the main reason for having an arch-specific pmdp_splitting_flush().
> > > 
> > > At least PowerPC and ARM also had an individual implementation of
> > > pmdp_splitting_flush() that used kick_all_cpus_sync() instead of a TLB
> > > flush to send the IPI, and those were also removed. Putting the arch
> > > maintainers and mailing lists on cc to verify.
> > > 
> > > On s390 this will break the IPI serialization against fast_gup, which
> > > would certainly explain the random kernel crashes, please revert or fix
> > > the pmdp_splitting_flush() removal.
> > 
> > Sorry for that.
> > 
> > I believe, the problem was already addressed for PowerPC:
> > 
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/g/454980831-16631-1-git-send-email-aneesh.kumar at linux.vnet.ibm.com
> > 
> > I think kick_all_cpus_sync() in arch-specific pmdp_invalidate() would do
> > the trick, right?
> 
> Hmm, not sure about that. After pmdp_invalidate(), a pmd_none() check in
> fast_gup will still return false, because the pmd is not empty (at least
> on s390). So I don't see spontaneously how it will help fast_gup to break
> out to the slow path in case of THP splitting.
> 
> > 
> > If yes, I'll prepare patch tomorrow (some sleep required).
> > 
> 
> We'll check if adding kick_all_cpus_sync() to pmdp_invalidate() helps.
> It would also be good if Martin has a look at this, he'll return on
> Monday.

Do you have a reliable way to trigger the "random kernel crashes"? We've not
seen anything reported on arm64, but I don't see why we wouldn't be affected
by the same bug and it would be good to confirm and validate a fix.

Cheers,

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-12 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-11 18:22 [BUG] random kernel crashes after THP rework on s390 (maybe also on PowerPC and ARM) Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-11 18:22 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-11 18:22 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-11 19:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-11 19:09   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-11 19:09   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-11 19:12   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-11 19:12     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-11 19:12     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 12:21     ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-12 12:21       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-12 12:21       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-11 19:57   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-11 19:57     ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-11 19:57     ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12  4:04     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12  4:04       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12  4:04       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12 11:59       ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 11:59         ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 11:59         ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 16:17         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12 16:17           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12 16:17           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-12 10:01     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-02-12 10:01       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-12 10:01       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-12 10:12       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-12 10:12         ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-12 10:12         ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-12 15:52         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-12 15:52           ` Will Deacon
2016-02-12 15:52           ` Will Deacon
2016-02-12 15:41     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 15:41       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 15:41       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 15:57       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-12 15:57         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-12 15:57         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-12 17:16         ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 17:16           ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 17:16           ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-12 23:15           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 23:15             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-12 23:15             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-13 11:58             ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-13 11:58               ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-13 11:58               ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-15 11:31               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-15 11:31                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-15 11:31                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-15 16:38                 ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-15 16:38                   ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-15 16:38                   ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-15 18:37                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 18:37                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 18:37                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 18:37                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 21:35                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-15 21:35                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-15 21:35                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-16  9:54                     ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-16  9:54                       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-16  9:54                       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-16 16:24                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-16 16:24                       ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-16 16:24                       ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-16 16:24                       ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-17 15:04                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-17 15:04                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-17 15:04                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-17 19:04                         ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-17 19:04                           ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-17 19:04                           ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-16 18:46                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-16 18:46                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-16 18:46                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-17 19:13               ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-17 19:13                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-17 19:13                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-17 23:58                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-17 23:58                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-17 23:58                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-18 15:00                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-18 15:00                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-18 15:00                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-18 17:06                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-18 17:06                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-18 17:06                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-19 14:15                       ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-19 14:15                         ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-19 14:15                         ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-15 16:41             ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 16:41               ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-15 16:41               ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-23 10:32           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 10:32             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 10:32             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 17:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-23 17:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-23 17:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-23 17:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-23 18:19             ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-23 18:19               ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-23 18:19               ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-23 18:47               ` Will Deacon
2016-02-23 18:47                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-23 18:47                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-25 15:49                 ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 15:49                   ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 15:49                   ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 15:49                   ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 16:01                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-25 16:01                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-25 16:01                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-25 16:01                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-25 16:08                     ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 16:08                       ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 16:08                       ` Steve Capper
2016-02-25 16:08                       ` Steve Capper
2016-02-23 19:33               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 19:33                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 19:33                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-02-23 20:22                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-23 20:22                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-23 20:22                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 10:16                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 10:16                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 10:16                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 10:41                     ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 10:41                       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 10:41                       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 10:51                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 10:51                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 10:51                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-24 11:02                         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 11:02                           ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 11:02                           ` Will Deacon
2016-02-24 17:22                         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-24 17:22                           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-24 17:22                           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2016-02-24  8:39                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-02-24  8:39                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-02-24  8:39                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-02-24 12:11                   ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-24 12:11                     ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-24 12:11                     ` Sebastian Ott
2016-02-24 16:44                 ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-24 16:44                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-24 16:44                   ` Gerald Schaefer
2016-02-24  8:22               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-02-24  8:22                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2016-02-24  8:22                 ` Martin Schwidefsky

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