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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Yury Norov <ynorov@caviumnetworks.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	pinskia@gmail.com, broonie@kernel.org, joseph@codesourcery.com,
	christoph.muellner@theobroma-systems.com,
	bamvor.zhangjian@huawei.com, szabolcs.nagy@arm.com,
	klimov.linux@gmail.com, Nathan_Lynch@mentor.com, agraf@suse.de,
	Prasun.Kapoor@caviumnetworks.com, kilobyte@angband.pl,
	geert@linux-m68k.org, philipp.tomsich@theobroma-systems.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/23] all: syscall wrappers: add documentation
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 18:36:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160527173653.GA19961@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160527165806.GA20966@yury-N73SV>

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 07:58:06PM +0300, Yury Norov wrote:
> So, we have 3 options for now:
> 1. Clear top halves in entry.S which means we pass off_t as a pair.
>    The cost is performance (didn't measure it yet and doubt about it
>    makes serious impact). The advantage is simplicity and unification with
>    aarch32, as I mentioned above. And David likes it. And it mininizes
>    the amount of changes on glibc side.
> 2. Clear top halves in in separated file hosted wrappers.
> 3. Clear top halves in I-cache and tail optimization friendly in-site wrappers.
> 
> 2 and 3 are the same from ABI point of view.
> 
> 2 is the worst for me as it is the most complex in implementation and 
> I-cache and tail optimization non-friendly. But Heiko likes it.
>  
> 3 is what Catalin is talking about, and it was my initial approach.
> Though I didn't made compiler to do tail optimization, I think we can
> do it.

I don't fully understand the difference between 2 and 3. My comment was
more around annotating the wrappers in (2) with __naked to no longer
generate function prologue/epilogue. They would still be in a separate
kernel/compat_wrapper.c file.

I can't figure out how you would have in-place wrappers for all
syscalls. You can indeed handle the current COMPAT_SYSCALL_DEFINE via
__SC_DELOUSE (and penalising the AArch32/compat support slightly) but
there is no solution for native SYSCALL_DEFINE functions to do it
in-place.

> But 2 is what we have now. And I'd choose it. We'll never get ilp32 done
> if will roll back previously agreed decisions again and again.

I would rather roll back a decision than going ahead with a wrong one.
Note that this is *ABI*, not a driver that you can fix upstream later.

Since yesterday, I realised that (2) requires further annotations and
wrapping for the native and compat syscalls used by ILP32 just to cope
with pointers. Also given davem's comments, (1) starts to look a bit
more appealing (I don't like reverting such decisions either, I'd have
to review the code again and again).

-- 
Catalin

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: catalin.marinas@arm.com (Catalin Marinas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 01/23] all: syscall wrappers: add documentation
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 18:36:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160527173653.GA19961@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160527165806.GA20966@yury-N73SV>

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 07:58:06PM +0300, Yury Norov wrote:
> So, we have 3 options for now:
> 1. Clear top halves in entry.S which means we pass off_t as a pair.
>    The cost is performance (didn't measure it yet and doubt about it
>    makes serious impact). The advantage is simplicity and unification with
>    aarch32, as I mentioned above. And David likes it. And it mininizes
>    the amount of changes on glibc side.
> 2. Clear top halves in in separated file hosted wrappers.
> 3. Clear top halves in I-cache and tail optimization friendly in-site wrappers.
> 
> 2 and 3 are the same from ABI point of view.
> 
> 2 is the worst for me as it is the most complex in implementation and 
> I-cache and tail optimization non-friendly. But Heiko likes it.
>  
> 3 is what Catalin is talking about, and it was my initial approach.
> Though I didn't made compiler to do tail optimization, I think we can
> do it.

I don't fully understand the difference between 2 and 3. My comment was
more around annotating the wrappers in (2) with __naked to no longer
generate function prologue/epilogue. They would still be in a separate
kernel/compat_wrapper.c file.

I can't figure out how you would have in-place wrappers for all
syscalls. You can indeed handle the current COMPAT_SYSCALL_DEFINE via
__SC_DELOUSE (and penalising the AArch32/compat support slightly) but
there is no solution for native SYSCALL_DEFINE functions to do it
in-place.

> But 2 is what we have now. And I'd choose it. We'll never get ilp32 done
> if will roll back previously agreed decisions again and again.

I would rather roll back a decision than going ahead with a wrong one.
Note that this is *ABI*, not a driver that you can fix upstream later.

Since yesterday, I realised that (2) requires further annotations and
wrapping for the native and compat syscalls used by ILP32 just to cope
with pointers. Also given davem's comments, (1) starts to look a bit
more appealing (I don't like reverting such decisions either, I'd have
to review the code again and again).

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-27 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-24  0:04 [PATCH v6 00/21] ILP32 for ARM64 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 01/23] all: syscall wrappers: add documentation Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 19:30   ` David Miller
2016-05-25 19:30     ` David Miller
2016-05-25 20:03     ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 20:03       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 20:03       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 20:21       ` David Miller
2016-05-25 20:21         ` David Miller
2016-05-25 20:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-25 20:47           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-25 20:50           ` David Miller
2016-05-25 20:50             ` David Miller
2016-05-25 21:01             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-25 21:01               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-25 21:28               ` David Miller
2016-05-25 21:28                 ` David Miller
2016-05-26 14:20                 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 14:20                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 14:50                   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-26 14:50                     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-26 14:50                     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-26 15:19                     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 15:19                       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 19:43                   ` David Miller
2016-05-26 19:43                     ` David Miller
2016-05-27 10:10                     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27 10:10                       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 20:48                 ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 20:48                   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 20:48                   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 22:29                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-26 22:29                     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27  0:37                     ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27  0:37                       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27  0:37                       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27  6:03                       ` Heiko Carstens
2016-05-27  6:03                         ` Heiko Carstens
2016-05-27  8:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-27  8:42                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-27  9:30                           ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27  9:30                             ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27 10:49                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-27 10:49                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-27 13:04                               ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27 13:04                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27 16:58                                 ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27 16:58                                   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27 16:58                                   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27 17:36                                   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2016-05-27 17:36                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27  9:01                         ` Catalin Marinas
2016-05-27  9:01                           ` Catalin Marinas
2016-06-14 23:08                     ` Yury Norov
2016-06-14 23:08                       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-14 23:08                       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-27  5:52     ` Heiko Carstens
2016-05-27  5:52       ` Heiko Carstens
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 02/23] all: introduce COMPAT_WRAPPER option and enable it for s390 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 03/23] all: s390: move wrapper infrastructure to generic headers Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 04/23] all: s390: move compat_wrappers.c from arch/s390/kernel to kernel/ Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 05/23] all: wrap needed syscalls in generic unistd Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 06/23] compat ABI: use non-compat openat and open_by_handle_at variants Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 07/23] 32-bit ABI: introduce ARCH_32BIT_OFF_T config option Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 08/23] arm64: ilp32: add documentation on the ILP32 ABI for ARM64 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 09/23] arm64: ensure the kernel is compiled for LP64 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 10/23] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 11/23] arm64:uapi: set __BITS_PER_LONG correctly for ILP32 and LP64 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 12/23] thread: move thread bits accessors to separated file Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 13/23] arm64: introduce is_a32_task and is_a32_thread (for AArch32 compat) Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-12 12:21   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:21     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:21     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:08     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:08       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:08       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 17:56       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-12 17:56         ` Yury Norov
2016-06-12 17:56         ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 14/23] arm64: ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task,thread} and TIF_32BIT_AARCH64 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` [PATCH 14/23] arm64: ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task, thread} " Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` [PATCH 14/23] arm64: ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task,thread} " Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 15/23] arm64: introduce binfmt_elf32.c Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 16/23] arm64: ilp32: introduce binfmt_ilp32.c Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 13:49   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-05-26 13:49     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-05-26 13:49     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-05-26 21:08     ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 21:08       ` Yury Norov
2016-05-26 21:08       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-15  0:40     ` Yury Norov
2016-06-15  0:40       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-15  0:40       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-13  3:05   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-13  3:05     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-13  3:05     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-13 13:22     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-13 13:22       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-13 13:22       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 17/23] arm64: ptrace: handle ptrace_request differently for aarch32 and ilp32 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-08  1:34   ` zhouchengming
2016-06-08  1:34     ` zhouchengming
2016-06-08  1:34     ` zhouchengming
2016-06-08 17:00     ` Yury Norov
2016-06-08 17:00       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-08 17:00       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-25  9:36       ` zhouchengming
2016-06-25  9:36         ` zhouchengming
2016-06-25  9:36         ` zhouchengming
2016-06-25 14:15         ` Bamvor Zhang
2016-06-25 14:15           ` Bamvor Zhang
2016-06-27  2:09           ` zhouchengming
2016-06-27  2:09             ` zhouchengming
2016-06-27  2:09             ` zhouchengming
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 18/23] arm64: ilp32: add sys_ilp32.c and a separate table (in entry.S) to use it Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 20:26   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-25 20:26     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 19/23] arm64: signal: share lp64 signal routines to ilp32 Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 20/23] arm64: signal32: move ilp32 and aarch32 common code to separated file Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 21/23] arm64: ilp32: introduce ilp32-specific handlers for sigframe and ucontext Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-04 11:34   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-04 11:34     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-04 11:34     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:34     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:34       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:34       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:12     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:12       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 13:12       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 17:44     ` Yury Norov
2016-06-12 17:44       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-12 17:44       ` Yury Norov
2016-06-16 11:21       ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-16 11:21         ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-16 11:21         ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:39   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:39     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-06-12 12:39     ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 22/23] arm64:ilp32: add vdso-ilp32 and use for signal return Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04 ` [PATCH 23/23] arm64:ilp32: add ARM64_ILP32 to Kconfig Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-24  0:04   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 10:42 ` [PATCH v6 00/21] ILP32 for ARM64 Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-25 10:42   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-25 10:42   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-05-25 16:41   ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 16:41     ` Yury Norov
2016-05-25 16:41     ` Yury Norov
2016-06-02 19:03 ` Yury Norov
2016-06-02 19:03   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-02 19:03   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-02 19:03   ` Yury Norov
2016-06-03 11:02   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-06-03 11:02     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-06-03 11:02     ` Szabolcs Nagy

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