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From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: "Daniel Thompson" <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 04/10] arm64: Kprobes with single stepping support
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:01:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160727100048.GA7147@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160726165543.GG2423@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:55:43PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:50:08AM +0100, Daniel Thompson wrote:
> > On 25/07/16 18:13, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > >On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:51:32AM -0400, David Long wrote:
> > >>OK, it sounds like an improvement. I do worry a little about unexpected side
> > >>effects.
> > >
> > >You get more unexpected side effects by not saving/restoring the whole
> > >stack. We looked into this on Friday and came to the conclusion that
> > >there is no safe way for kprobes to know which arguments passed on the
> > >stack should be preserved, at least not with the current API.

[...]

Jumping cheekily onto this thread, what if some function does this:

void go_on_jprobe_me()
{
}

void foo()
{
	struct bar baz;

	start_io(&baz);

	/* ... */

	go_on_jprobe_me();

	end_io(&baz);
}

If some I/O is being done on baz asynchronously, via DMA or via another
thread, a jprobe implementation that attempts to save/restore the stack
beyond the arguments of the probed function is going to race with such
I/O and can corrupt data.

This is a risk whenever any thread triggers some other master to operate
on objects on the first thread's stack -- I/O is a contrived example, but
there are likely other ways similar asynchronous access can happen to
a thread's stack.

Worse, annotating go_on_jprobe_me() as un-jprobeable doesn't help --
the un-jprobeableness is a property not of the function itself, but
rather a property of the set of callers of that function.  That set can
change at runtime (consider out-of-tree modules).

Cheers
---Dave

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave.Martin@arm.com (Dave Martin)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v15 04/10] arm64: Kprobes with single stepping support
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:01:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160727100048.GA7147@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160726165543.GG2423@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:55:43PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:50:08AM +0100, Daniel Thompson wrote:
> > On 25/07/16 18:13, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > >On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:51:32AM -0400, David Long wrote:
> > >>OK, it sounds like an improvement. I do worry a little about unexpected side
> > >>effects.
> > >
> > >You get more unexpected side effects by not saving/restoring the whole
> > >stack. We looked into this on Friday and came to the conclusion that
> > >there is no safe way for kprobes to know which arguments passed on the
> > >stack should be preserved, at least not with the current API.

[...]

Jumping cheekily onto this thread, what if some function does this:

void go_on_jprobe_me()
{
}

void foo()
{
	struct bar baz;

	start_io(&baz);

	/* ... */

	go_on_jprobe_me();

	end_io(&baz);
}

If some I/O is being done on baz asynchronously, via DMA or via another
thread, a jprobe implementation that attempts to save/restore the stack
beyond the arguments of the probed function is going to race with such
I/O and can corrupt data.

This is a risk whenever any thread triggers some other master to operate
on objects on the first thread's stack -- I/O is a contrived example, but
there are likely other ways similar asynchronous access can happen to
a thread's stack.

Worse, annotating go_on_jprobe_me() as un-jprobeable doesn't help --
the un-jprobeableness is a property not of the function itself, but
rather a property of the set of callers of that function.  That set can
change at runtime (consider out-of-tree modules).

Cheers
---Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-27 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-08 16:35 [PATCH v15 00/10] arm64: Add kernel probes (kprobes) support David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 01/10] arm64: Add HAVE_REGS_AND_STACK_ACCESS_API feature David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-15 10:57   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15 10:57     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15 14:51     ` David Long
2016-07-15 14:51       ` David Long
2016-07-15 15:13       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15 15:13         ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15 17:51         ` David Long
2016-07-15 17:51           ` David Long
2016-07-19 14:17           ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 14:17             ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 02/10] arm64: Add more test functions to insn.c David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 03/10] arm64: add conditional instruction simulation support David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 04/10] arm64: Kprobes with single stepping support David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-20  9:36   ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20  9:36     ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 11:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 11:16       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 19:08     ` David Long
2016-07-20 19:08       ` David Long
2016-07-21  8:44       ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-21  8:44         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 15:49   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 15:49     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-21 14:50     ` David Long
2016-07-21 14:50       ` David Long
2016-07-20 16:09   ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 16:09     ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 16:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 16:28       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 16:31       ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 16:31         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 16:46       ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 16:46         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-20 17:04         ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 17:04           ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-21 16:33     ` David Long
2016-07-21 16:33       ` David Long
2016-07-21 17:16       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-21 17:16         ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-21 17:23       ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-21 17:23         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-21 18:33         ` David Long
2016-07-21 18:33           ` David Long
2016-07-22 10:16           ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-22 10:16             ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-22 15:51             ` David Long
2016-07-22 15:51               ` David Long
2016-07-25 17:13               ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-25 17:13                 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-25 22:27                 ` David Long
2016-07-25 22:27                   ` David Long
2016-07-27 11:50                   ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 11:50                     ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 22:13                     ` David Long
2016-07-27 22:13                       ` David Long
2016-07-28 14:40                       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-28 14:40                         ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-29  9:01                         ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-29  9:01                           ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-04  4:47                           ` David Long
2016-08-04  4:47                             ` David Long
2016-08-08 11:13                             ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-08 11:13                               ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-08 11:13                               ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-08 14:29                               ` David Long
2016-08-08 14:29                                 ` David Long
2016-08-08 14:29                                 ` David Long
2016-08-08 22:49                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-08-08 22:49                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-08-08 22:49                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-08-09 17:23                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-08-09 17:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-08-09 17:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-08-10 20:41                                   ` David Long
2016-08-10 20:41                                     ` David Long
2016-08-10 20:41                                     ` David Long
2016-08-08 22:19                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-08-08 22:19                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-07-26  9:50                 ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-26  9:50                   ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-26 16:55                   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-26 16:55                     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-27 10:01                     ` Dave Martin [this message]
2016-07-27 10:01                       ` Dave Martin
2016-07-26 17:54                   ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-26 17:54                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-27 11:19                     ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 11:19                       ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 11:38                       ` Dave Martin
2016-07-27 11:38                         ` Dave Martin
2016-07-27 11:42                         ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 11:42                           ` Daniel Thompson
2016-07-27 13:38                       ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-27 13:38                         ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 05/10] arm64: Blacklist non-kprobe-able symbol David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 06/10] arm64: Treat all entry code as non-kprobe-able David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-15 16:47   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15 16:47     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19  0:53     ` David Long
2016-07-19  0:53       ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 07/10] arm64: kprobes instruction simulation support David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-10 22:51   ` Paul Gortmaker
2016-07-10 22:51     ` Paul Gortmaker
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 08/10] arm64: Add trampoline code for kretprobes David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-19 13:46   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 13:46     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-20 18:28     ` David Long
2016-07-20 18:28       ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 09/10] arm64: Add kernel return probes support (kretprobes) David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-08 16:35 ` [PATCH v15 10/10] kprobes: Add arm64 case in kprobe example module David Long
2016-07-08 16:35   ` David Long
2016-07-14 16:22 ` [PATCH v15 00/10] arm64: Add kernel probes (kprobes) support Catalin Marinas
2016-07-14 16:22   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-14 17:09   ` William Cohen
2016-07-14 17:09     ` William Cohen
2016-07-15  7:50     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15  7:50       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-15  8:01       ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-15  8:01         ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-15  8:59         ` Alex Bennée
2016-07-15  8:59           ` Alex Bennée
2016-07-15  9:04           ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-15  9:04             ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-15  9:53           ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-15  9:53             ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-14 17:56   ` David Long
2016-07-14 17:56     ` David Long
2016-07-19 13:57   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 13:57     ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 14:01     ` David Long
2016-07-19 14:01       ` David Long
2016-07-19 18:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 18:27   ` Catalin Marinas
2016-07-19 19:38   ` David Long
2016-07-19 19:38     ` David Long

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