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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org, juerg.haefliger@hpe.com,
	vpk@cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:36:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160914093634.GB13121@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160914071901.8127-1-juerg.haefliger@hpe.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 09:18:58AM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote:

> This patch series adds support for XPFO which protects against 'ret2dir'
> kernel attacks. The basic idea is to enforce exclusive ownership of page
> frames by either the kernel or userspace, unless explicitly requested by
> the kernel. Whenever a page destined for userspace is allocated, it is
> unmapped from physmap (the kernel's page table). When such a page is
> reclaimed from userspace, it is mapped back to physmap.

> Known issues/limitations:
>   - Only supports x86-64 (for now)
>   - Only supports 4k pages (for now)
>   - There are most likely some legitimate uses cases where the kernel needs
>     to access userspace which need to be made XPFO-aware
>   - Performance penalty
> 
> Reference paper by the original patch authors:
>   http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~vpk/papers/ret2dir.sec14.pdf

Just to check, doesn't DEBUG_RODATA ensure that the linear mapping is
non-executable on x86_64 (as it does for arm64)?

For both arm64 and x86_64, DEBUG_RODATA is mandatory (or soon to be so).
Assuming that implies a lack of execute permission for x86_64, that
should provide a similar level of protection against erroneously
branching to addresses in the linear map, without the complexity and
overhead of mapping/unmapping pages.

So to me it looks like this approach may only be useful for
architectures without page-granular execute permission controls.

Is this also intended to protect against erroneous *data* accesses to
the linear map?

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Mark.

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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org, juerg.haefliger@hpe.com,
	vpk@cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:36:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160914093634.GB13121@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160914071901.8127-1-juerg.haefliger@hpe.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 09:18:58AM +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote:

> This patch series adds support for XPFO which protects against 'ret2dir'
> kernel attacks. The basic idea is to enforce exclusive ownership of page
> frames by either the kernel or userspace, unless explicitly requested by
> the kernel. Whenever a page destined for userspace is allocated, it is
> unmapped from physmap (the kernel's page table). When such a page is
> reclaimed from userspace, it is mapped back to physmap.

> Known issues/limitations:
>   - Only supports x86-64 (for now)
>   - Only supports 4k pages (for now)
>   - There are most likely some legitimate uses cases where the kernel needs
>     to access userspace which need to be made XPFO-aware
>   - Performance penalty
> 
> Reference paper by the original patch authors:
>   http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~vpk/papers/ret2dir.sec14.pdf

Just to check, doesn't DEBUG_RODATA ensure that the linear mapping is
non-executable on x86_64 (as it does for arm64)?

For both arm64 and x86_64, DEBUG_RODATA is mandatory (or soon to be so).
Assuming that implies a lack of execute permission for x86_64, that
should provide a similar level of protection against erroneously
branching to addresses in the linear map, without the complexity and
overhead of mapping/unmapping pages.

So to me it looks like this approach may only be useful for
architectures without page-granular execute permission controls.

Is this also intended to protect against erroneous *data* accesses to
the linear map?

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Mark.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-14  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-26 14:21 [RFC PATCH] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Juerg Haefliger
2016-02-26 14:21 ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-03-01  1:31 ` Laura Abbott
2016-03-01  1:31   ` Laura Abbott
2016-03-21  8:37   ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-03-21  8:37     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-03-28 19:29     ` Laura Abbott
2016-03-28 19:29       ` Laura Abbott
2016-03-01  2:10 ` Balbir Singh
2016-03-01  2:10   ` Balbir Singh
2016-03-21  8:44   ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-03-21  8:44     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-04-01  0:21     ` Balbir Singh
2016-04-01  0:21       ` Balbir Singh
2016-09-02 11:39 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39   ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39   ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] xpfo: Only put previous userspace pages into the hot cache Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 20:39     ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-02 20:39       ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Hansen
2016-09-02 20:39       ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-05 11:54       ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-05 11:54         ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39   ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] block: Always use a bounce buffer when XPFO is enabled Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-02 11:39     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18     ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18     ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18     ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18       ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:18       ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19     ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] xpfo: Only put previous userspace pages into the hot cache Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19       ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19       ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14 14:33       ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Hansen
2016-09-14 14:33         ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-14 14:40         ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14 14:48           ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-14 14:48             ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-21  5:32             ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19     ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] block: Always use a bounce buffer when XPFO is enabled Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19       ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:19       ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-14  7:33         ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-14  7:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-14  7:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  7:23       ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-09-14  9:36     ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2016-09-14  9:36       ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2016-09-14  9:49       ` Mark Rutland
2016-09-14  9:49         ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-04 14:45     ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/2] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45       ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45       ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45       ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/2] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45         ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45         ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-04 14:50           ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-04 14:50           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-10  5:53         ` [kernel-hardening] " ZhaoJunmin Zhao(Junmin)
2016-11-10  5:53           ` ZhaoJunmin Zhao(Junmin)
2016-11-10  5:53           ` ZhaoJunmin Zhao(Junmin)
2016-11-10 19:11         ` Kees Cook
2016-11-10 19:11           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-11-10 19:11           ` Kees Cook
2016-11-15 11:15           ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-15 11:15             ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-15 11:15             ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-10 19:24         ` Kees Cook
2016-11-10 19:24           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-11-10 19:24           ` Kees Cook
2016-11-15 11:18           ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-15 11:18             ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-15 11:18             ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-24 10:56         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2016-11-24 10:56           ` [kernel-hardening] " AKASHI Takahiro
2016-11-24 10:56           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2016-11-28 11:15           ` Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-28 11:15             ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-12-09  9:02           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2016-12-09  9:02             ` [kernel-hardening] " AKASHI Takahiro
2016-12-09  9:02             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2016-11-04 14:45       ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/2] xpfo: Only put previous userspace pages into the hot cache Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45         ` [kernel-hardening] " Juerg Haefliger
2016-11-04 14:45         ` Juerg Haefliger

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