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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] vm, vmscan: enahance vmscan tracepoints
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:36:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161230093654.GC13301@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161230091117.nkxn3bnhle3bofhw@suse.de>

On Fri 30-12-16 09:11:17, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Hi,
> > while debugging [1] I've realized that there is some room for
> > improvements in the tracepoints set we offer currently. I had hard times
> > to make any conclusion from the existing ones. The resulting problem
> > turned out to be active list aging [2] and we are missing at least two
> > tracepoints to debug such a problem.
> > 
> > Some existing tracepoints could export more information to see _why_ the
> > reclaim progress cannot be made not only _how much_ we could reclaim.
> > The later could be seen quite reasonably from the vmstat counters
> > already. It can be argued that we are showing too many implementation
> > details in those tracepoints but I consider them way too lowlevel
> > already to be usable by any kernel independent userspace. I would be
> > _really_ surprised if anything but debugging tools have used them.
> > 
> > Any feedback is highly appreciated.
> > 
> 
> There is some minor overhead introduced in some paths regardless of
> whether the tracepoints are active or not but I suspect it's negligible
> in the context of the overhead of reclaim in general so;

I will work on improving some of them. E.g. I've dropped the change to
free_hot_cold_page_list because that is indeed a hot path but other than
that there shouldn't be any even medium hot path which should see any
overhead I can see. If you are aware of any, please let me know and I
will think about how to improve it.
 
> Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] vm, vmscan: enahance vmscan tracepoints
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:36:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161230093654.GC13301@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161230091117.nkxn3bnhle3bofhw@suse.de>

On Fri 30-12-16 09:11:17, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Hi,
> > while debugging [1] I've realized that there is some room for
> > improvements in the tracepoints set we offer currently. I had hard times
> > to make any conclusion from the existing ones. The resulting problem
> > turned out to be active list aging [2] and we are missing at least two
> > tracepoints to debug such a problem.
> > 
> > Some existing tracepoints could export more information to see _why_ the
> > reclaim progress cannot be made not only _how much_ we could reclaim.
> > The later could be seen quite reasonably from the vmstat counters
> > already. It can be argued that we are showing too many implementation
> > details in those tracepoints but I consider them way too lowlevel
> > already to be usable by any kernel independent userspace. I would be
> > _really_ surprised if anything but debugging tools have used them.
> > 
> > Any feedback is highly appreciated.
> > 
> 
> There is some minor overhead introduced in some paths regardless of
> whether the tracepoints are active or not but I suspect it's negligible
> in the context of the overhead of reclaim in general so;

I will work on improving some of them. E.g. I've dropped the change to
free_hot_cold_page_list because that is indeed a hot path but other than
that there shouldn't be any even medium hot path which should see any
overhead I can see. If you are aware of any, please let me know and I
will think about how to improve it.
 
> Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-30  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-28 15:30 [PATCH 0/7] vm, vmscan: enahance vmscan tracepoints Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm, vmscan: remove unused mm_vmscan_memcg_isolate Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  7:33   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  7:33     ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] mm, vmscan: add active list aging tracepoint Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  5:33   ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  5:33     ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  7:52     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  7:52       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  1:48       ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30  1:48         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30  9:26         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  9:26           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  9:38           ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-30  9:38             ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-30 16:04           ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30 16:04             ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30 16:37             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 16:37               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 17:30               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 17:30                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03  5:03               ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-03  5:03                 ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-03  8:21                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03  8:21                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-04  5:07                   ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-04  5:07                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-01-04  7:28                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-04  7:28                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-04  7:50                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-04  7:50                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  7:44   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  7:44     ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm, vmscan: show the number of skipped pages in mm_vmscan_lru_isolate Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  5:53   ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  5:53     ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  7:49   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  7:49     ` Hillf Danton
2017-01-03 17:21   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 17:21     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 20:43     ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 20:43       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] mm, vmscan: show LRU name in mm_vmscan_lru_isolate tracepoint Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:50   ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-12-28 15:50     ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-12-28 16:00     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 16:00       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 16:40       ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-12-28 16:40         ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-12-28 16:49         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 16:49           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  6:02   ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  6:02     ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  7:56     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  7:56       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  1:56       ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30  1:56         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30  9:33         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  9:33           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  7:53   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  7:53     ` Hillf Danton
2017-01-03 17:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 17:08     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 20:47     ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 20:47       ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 20:52       ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 20:52         ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 21:24         ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 21:24           ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 21:40           ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 21:40             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-03 21:48             ` Michal Hocko
2017-01-03 21:48               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] mm, vmscan: extract shrink_page_list reclaim counters into a struct Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  8:00   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  8:00     ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] mm, vmscan: enhance mm_vmscan_lru_shrink_inactive tracepoint Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  8:05   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  8:05     ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-28 15:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] mm, vmscan: add mm_vmscan_inactive_list_is_low tracepoint Michal Hocko
2016-12-28 15:30   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  8:19   ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-29  8:19     ` Hillf Danton
2016-12-30  9:11 ` [PATCH 0/7] vm, vmscan: enahance vmscan tracepoints Mel Gorman
2016-12-30  9:11   ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30  9:36   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-12-30  9:36     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 10:20     ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30 10:20       ` Mel Gorman

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