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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:32:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170103213234.GB29656@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1483374980.2458.13.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Mon, Jan 02, 2017 at 08:36:20AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 15:22 +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > This patch set adds support for TPM spaces that provide a context
> > for isolating and swapping transient objects. This patch set does
> > not yet include support for isolating policy and HMAC sessions but
> > it is trivial to add once the basic approach is settled (and that's
> > why I created an RFC patch set).
> 
> The approach looks fine to me.  The only basic query I have is about
> the default: shouldn't it be with resource manager on rather than off? 
>  I can't really think of a use case that wants the RM off (even if
> you're running your own, having another doesn't hurt anything, and it's
> still required to share with in-kernel uses).

I haven't looked too closely at TPM 2.0 stuff, but at least for 1.2 we
should have a kernel white-list of allowed commands within a RM
context, so having the RM on by default would break all of the user
space.

I really think the only way forward here is a new char dev that is
safe for unprivileged/concurrent use and migrate the user space stack
to use it instead.

> And with that, I've TPM 2 enabled both gnome-keyring and openssl:
> 
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:jejb1:Tumbleweed/gnome-keyring
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:jejb1:Tumbleweed/openssl_tpm_engine
 
> I'm running them in production on my day to day laptop and so far
> everything's working nicely (better than 1.2, in fact, since tcsd
> periodically crashes necessitating a restart of everything).

You granted your unprivileged user access to /dev/tpm0 then? FYI I
think that is a dangerous idea..

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	open list <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:32:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170103213234.GB29656@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1483374980.2458.13.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Jan 02, 2017 at 08:36:20AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 15:22 +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > This patch set adds support for TPM spaces that provide a context
> > for isolating and swapping transient objects. This patch set does
> > not yet include support for isolating policy and HMAC sessions but
> > it is trivial to add once the basic approach is settled (and that's
> > why I created an RFC patch set).
> 
> The approach looks fine to me.  The only basic query I have is about
> the default: shouldn't it be with resource manager on rather than off? 
>  I can't really think of a use case that wants the RM off (even if
> you're running your own, having another doesn't hurt anything, and it's
> still required to share with in-kernel uses).

I haven't looked too closely at TPM 2.0 stuff, but at least for 1.2 we
should have a kernel white-list of allowed commands within a RM
context, so having the RM on by default would break all of the user
space.

I really think the only way forward here is a new char dev that is
safe for unprivileged/concurrent use and migrate the user space stack
to use it instead.

> And with that, I've TPM 2 enabled both gnome-keyring and openssl:
> 
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:jejb1:Tumbleweed/gnome-keyring
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:jejb1:Tumbleweed/openssl_tpm_engine
 
> I'm running them in production on my day to day laptop and so far
> everything's working nicely (better than 1.2, in fact, since tcsd
> periodically crashes necessitating a restart of everything).

You granted your unprivileged user access to /dev/tpm0 then? FYI I
think that is a dangerous idea..

Jason

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Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-02 13:22 [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] tpm: migrate struct tpm_buf to struct tpm_chip Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:01   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 21:01     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03  0:57     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:13       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 19:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:29         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:29           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] tpm: validate TPM 2.0 commands Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]   ` <20170102132213.22880-3-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:04     ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-04 18:19       ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:19         ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1483553976.2561.38.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:59           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <OF3FD1DF4F.FB87C3F2-ON0025809E.00682E9B-8525809E.00684A8A-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 19:05               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1483556735.2561.53.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 19:22                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                     ` <OFDFABBD23.E5E1F639-ON0025809E.006924C4-8525809E.006A7568-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-09 22:17                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                         ` <20170109221700.q7tq362rd6r23d5b-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-09 22:39                           ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-04 18:44       ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:44         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] tpm: export tpm2_flush_context_cmd Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] tpm: add the infrastructure for TPM space for TPM 2.0 Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 21:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03  0:37     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 18:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:43         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:43           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 19:16         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:45         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:45           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]   ` <20170102132213.22880-5-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 17:50     ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-09 22:11       ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 16:36 ` [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager James Bottomley
2017-01-02 19:33   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 19:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:40     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-02 21:40       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03  5:26       ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-03 13:41         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:41           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:14           ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-03 16:14             ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:36             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 18:36               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:14               ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:14                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:34                 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-03 19:34                   ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 21:54         ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 21:54           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:58           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:58             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 16:55             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 16:55               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  5:47         ` [tpmdd-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-04 13:00           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:51       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:51         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:36         ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-03 16:36           ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:40           ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:47           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:21             ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 22:21               ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 23:20               ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 23:20                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170103214702.GC29656-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 22:22               ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 22:39             ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-03 22:39               ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:17               ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  0:29                 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:29                   ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:56                   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  0:56                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:50                 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:50                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 14:53                   ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-04 14:53                     ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:31                     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:57                       ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:57                         ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 19:24                         ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 19:24                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20170104001732.GB32185-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-10 18:55                   ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-04 12:48             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 12:48               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <1483461370.2464.19.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 22:18             ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 21:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-01-03 21:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:03     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-05 15:52 ` Fuchs, Andreas
2017-01-05 15:52   ` Fuchs, Andreas
2017-01-05 17:27   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 17:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 18:06     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-05 18:06       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06  8:43       ` [tpmdd-devel] " Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06  8:43         ` Andreas Fuchs
     [not found]         ` <410e3045-58dc-5415-30c1-c86eb916b6c8-iXjGqz/onsDSyEMIgutvibNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-10 18:57           ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-05 18:33     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-05 18:33       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 19:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:55         ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-05 19:55           ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 22:21           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 22:21             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 22:58             ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-05 22:58               ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 23:50               ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 23:50                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06  0:36                 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-06  0:36                   ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06  8:59                   ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06  8:59                     ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06 19:10                     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:10                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:02                   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:02                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-10 19:03         ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-10 19:03           ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-09 22:39   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-09 22:39     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 10:03     ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-11 10:03       ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-04 16:12 Dr. Greg Wettstein
2017-01-04 16:12 ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
2017-01-09 23:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 19:29   ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-10 19:29     ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 11:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 20:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 10:00     ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-11 18:03       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:27         ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 19:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 11:34     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 15:39       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 17:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:25           ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 19:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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