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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Hoeun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com>, PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>,
	Emese Revfy <re.emese@gmail.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:22:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170407162238.GD858@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWuZPDjAuE1jnhJNKiZOOEdbus-O6GY8++0UO56Q84PZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 09:14:29AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> I think we're approaching this all wrong, actually.  The fact that x86
> has this CR0.WP thing is arguably a historical accident, and the fact
> that PaX uses it doesn't mean that PaX is doing it the best way for
> upstream Linux.
> 
> Why don't we start at the other end and do a generic non-arch-specific
> implementation: set up an mm_struct that contains an RW alias of the
> relevant parts of rodata and use use_mm to access it.  (That is,
> get_fs() to back up the old fs, set_fs(USER_DS),
> use_mm(&rare_write_mm), do the write using copy_to_user, undo
> everything.)

FWIW, I completely agree with this approach.

That's largely the approach arm64 would have to take regardless (as per
Hoeun's patches), and having a consistent common implementation would be
desireable.

There are a couple of other complications to handle (e.g. a perf
interrupt coming in and trying to read from the mapping), but I think we
can handle that generically.

Thanks,
Mark.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: mark.rutland@arm.com (Mark Rutland)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:22:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170407162238.GD858@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWuZPDjAuE1jnhJNKiZOOEdbus-O6GY8++0UO56Q84PZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 09:14:29AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> I think we're approaching this all wrong, actually.  The fact that x86
> has this CR0.WP thing is arguably a historical accident, and the fact
> that PaX uses it doesn't mean that PaX is doing it the best way for
> upstream Linux.
> 
> Why don't we start at the other end and do a generic non-arch-specific
> implementation: set up an mm_struct that contains an RW alias of the
> relevant parts of rodata and use use_mm to access it.  (That is,
> get_fs() to back up the old fs, set_fs(USER_DS),
> use_mm(&rare_write_mm), do the write using copy_to_user, undo
> everything.)

FWIW, I completely agree with this approach.

That's largely the approach arm64 would have to take regardless (as per
Hoeun's patches), and having a consistent common implementation would be
desireable.

There are a couple of other complications to handle (e.g. a perf
interrupt coming in and trying to read from the mapping), but I think we
can handle that generically.

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-07 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29 18:15 [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  7:44     ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30  7:44       ` [kernel-hardening] " Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30  7:44       ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30 17:02       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 17:02         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-30 17:02         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07  8:09   ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07  8:09     ` [kernel-hardening] " Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07  8:09     ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07 20:38     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 20:38       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-04-07 20:38       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  9:34   ` [kernel-hardening] " Ian Campbell
2017-03-30  9:34     ` Ian Campbell
2017-03-30 16:16     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 16:16       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 16:16       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 03/11] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 22:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-29 22:38     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-29 22:38     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-30  1:41     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  1:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-30  1:41       ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 23:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-05 23:57         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-05 23:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06  0:14         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06  0:14           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-04-06  0:14           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06 15:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 15:59             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 15:59             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07  8:34             ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  8:34               ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  8:34               ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  9:46               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07  9:46                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07  9:46                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 10:51                 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 10:51                   ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 10:51                   ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:14                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:14                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:14                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:30                     ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:30                       ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:30                       ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 16:14                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:14                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:14                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:22                         ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2017-04-07 16:22                           ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 16:22                           ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:58                         ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:58                           ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:58                           ` PaX Team
2017-04-08  4:58                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  4:58                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  4:58                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 12:47                             ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 12:47                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 12:47                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  0:10                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:10                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:10                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 10:42                                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 10:42                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 10:42                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 16:01                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 16:01                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 16:01                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 20:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 20:44                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 20:44                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 21:20                           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 21:20                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 21:20                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-08  4:12                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:12                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:12                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                                 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                                 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  5:07                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  5:07                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  5:07                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  7:33                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  7:33                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  7:33                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 15:20                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 15:20                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 15:20                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 10:53                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-09 10:53                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-09 10:53                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-10 10:22                                 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:22                                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:22                                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-09 20:24                             ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 20:24                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 20:24                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  0:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:31                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:31                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 19:47                                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:47                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:47                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 20:27                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:27                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:27                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:13                               ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:13                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:13                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:17                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 19:25                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 19:25                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 19:25                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 14:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 14:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 14:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-10 10:29                     ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:29                       ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:29                       ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:52                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:52                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:52                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  8:26                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10  8:26                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10  8:26                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10 19:55                     ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:55                       ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:55                       ` PaX Team
2017-04-07  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 05/11] ARM: mm: dump: Add domain to output Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 06/11] ARM: domains: Extract common USER domain init Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 07/11] ARM: mm: set DOMAIN_WR_RARE for rodata Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07  9:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:36     ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 09/11] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 10/11] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 11/11] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:00 ` [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:00   ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:00   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:14   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:14     ` Kees Cook

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