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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
	Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@qualys.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Dmitry Safonov <dsafonov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Grzegorz Andrejczuk <grzegorz.andrejczuk@intel.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] binfmt_elf: Use ELF_ET_DYN_BASE only for PIE
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:49:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170627144948.GD28078@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170621173201.GA114489@beast>

On Wed 21-06-17 10:32:01, Kees Cook wrote:
> The ELF_ET_DYN_BASE position was originally intended to keep loaders
> away from ET_EXEC binaries. (For example, running "/lib/ld-linux.so.2
> /bin/cat" might cause the subsequent load of /bin/cat into where the
> loader had been loaded.) With the advent of PIE (ET_DYN binaries with
> an INTERP Program Header), ELF_ET_DYN_BASE continued to be used since
> the kernel was only looking at ET_DYN. However, since ELF_ET_DYN_BASE
> is traditionally set at the top 1/3rd of the TASK_SIZE, a substantial
> portion of the address space is unused.
> 
> For 32-bit tasks when RLIMIT_STACK is set to RLIM_INFINITY, programs
> are loaded below the mmap region. This means they can be made to collide
> (CVE-2017-1000370) or nearly collide (CVE-2017-1000371) with pathological
> stack regions. Lowering ELF_ET_DYN_BASE solves both by moving programs
> above the mmap region in all cases, and will now additionally avoid
> programs falling back to the mmap region by enforcing MAP_FIXED for
> program loads (i.e. if it would have collided with the stack, now it
> will fail to load instead of falling back to the mmap region).

I do not understand this part. MAP_FIXED will simply unmap whatever
was under the requested range, how it could help failing anything? So
what would happen if something was mapped in that region, or is this
impossible? Moreover MAP_FIXED close to stack will inhibit the stack gap
protection.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
	Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@qualys.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Dmitry Safonov <dsafonov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Grzegorz Andrejczuk <grzegorz.andrejczuk@intel.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2] binfmt_elf: Use ELF_ET_DYN_BASE only for PIE
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:49:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170627144948.GD28078@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170621173201.GA114489@beast>

On Wed 21-06-17 10:32:01, Kees Cook wrote:
> The ELF_ET_DYN_BASE position was originally intended to keep loaders
> away from ET_EXEC binaries. (For example, running "/lib/ld-linux.so.2
> /bin/cat" might cause the subsequent load of /bin/cat into where the
> loader had been loaded.) With the advent of PIE (ET_DYN binaries with
> an INTERP Program Header), ELF_ET_DYN_BASE continued to be used since
> the kernel was only looking at ET_DYN. However, since ELF_ET_DYN_BASE
> is traditionally set at the top 1/3rd of the TASK_SIZE, a substantial
> portion of the address space is unused.
> 
> For 32-bit tasks when RLIMIT_STACK is set to RLIM_INFINITY, programs
> are loaded below the mmap region. This means they can be made to collide
> (CVE-2017-1000370) or nearly collide (CVE-2017-1000371) with pathological
> stack regions. Lowering ELF_ET_DYN_BASE solves both by moving programs
> above the mmap region in all cases, and will now additionally avoid
> programs falling back to the mmap region by enforcing MAP_FIXED for
> program loads (i.e. if it would have collided with the stack, now it
> will fail to load instead of falling back to the mmap region).

I do not understand this part. MAP_FIXED will simply unmap whatever
was under the requested range, how it could help failing anything? So
what would happen if something was mapped in that region, or is this
impossible? Moreover MAP_FIXED close to stack will inhibit the stack gap
protection.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-27 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-21 17:32 [PATCH v2] binfmt_elf: Use ELF_ET_DYN_BASE only for PIE Kees Cook
2017-06-21 17:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-06-21 18:24 ` Rik van Riel
2017-06-21 18:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel
2017-06-27 14:49 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-06-27 14:49   ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-27 14:54   ` Daniel Micay
2017-06-27 14:54     ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-06-27 20:08   ` Kees Cook
2017-06-27 20:08     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-06-27 20:08     ` Kees Cook
2017-07-04 13:12     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 13:12       ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Hocko
2017-07-04 13:12       ` Michal Hocko

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