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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Przemyslaw Sroka <psroka@cadence.com>,
	Arkadiusz Golec <agolec@cadence.com>,
	Alan Douglas <adouglas@cadence.com>,
	Bartosz Folta <bfolta@cadence.com>, Damian Kos <dkos@cadence.com>,
	Alicja Jurasik-Urbaniak <alicja@cadence.com>,
	Jan Kotas <jank@cadence.com>,
	Cyprian Wronka <cwronka@cadence.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/5] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:12:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801141218.GA1450@katana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801153414.6ce34ee8@bbrezillon>

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> > The second way is to have a number of #ifdef and complex
> > Kconfig dependencies for the driver to only register the
> > device_driver objects for the buses that are enabled. This
> > is also doable, but everyone gets the logic wrong the first time.
> 
> Hm, I understand now why you'd prefer to have a single bus. Can't we
> solve this problem with a module_i3c_i2c_driver() macro that would hide
> all this complexity from I2C/I3C drivers?

Do you know of devices speaking both i3c and i2c as of today?

I think I3C/I2C is a bit different than I2C/SPI. For the latter, it
might happen that you have only this or that bus on the board, so it
makes sense to support both. But if you have I3C, you can simply attach
the I2C device onto it. I guess you would only implement I3C in the
device if you explicitly need its feature set. And then, a I2C fallback
doesn't make much sense? Or am I missing something?

OK, now I know that those I3C+I2C devices will exist, even if only for
Murphy's law. However, my assumptions would be that those devices are
not common and so we could live with the core plus bus_drivers
seperation we have for SPI/I2C already (although I would love a common
regmap-based I2C/SPI abstraction).


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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa-z923LK4zBo2bacvFa/9K2g@public.gmane.org>
To: Boris Brezillon
	<boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-doc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Przemyslaw Sroka <psroka-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Arkadiusz Golec <agolec-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Alan Douglas <adouglas-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Bartosz Folta <bfolta-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Damian Kos <dkos-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Alicja Jurasik-Urbaniak
	<alicja-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Kotas <jank-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Cyprian Wronka <cwronka-vna1KIf7WgpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexandre Belloni
	<alexandre.belloni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Petazzoni
	<thomas.petazzoni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Ian Campbell
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	Kumar
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/5] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 16:12:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801141218.GA1450@katana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801153414.6ce34ee8@bbrezillon>

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> > The second way is to have a number of #ifdef and complex
> > Kconfig dependencies for the driver to only register the
> > device_driver objects for the buses that are enabled. This
> > is also doable, but everyone gets the logic wrong the first time.
> 
> Hm, I understand now why you'd prefer to have a single bus. Can't we
> solve this problem with a module_i3c_i2c_driver() macro that would hide
> all this complexity from I2C/I3C drivers?

Do you know of devices speaking both i3c and i2c as of today?

I think I3C/I2C is a bit different than I2C/SPI. For the latter, it
might happen that you have only this or that bus on the board, so it
makes sense to support both. But if you have I3C, you can simply attach
the I2C device onto it. I guess you would only implement I3C in the
device if you explicitly need its feature set. And then, a I2C fallback
doesn't make much sense? Or am I missing something?

OK, now I know that those I3C+I2C devices will exist, even if only for
Murphy's law. However, my assumptions would be that those devices are
not common and so we could live with the core plus bus_drivers
seperation we have for SPI/I2C already (although I would love a common
regmap-based I2C/SPI abstraction).


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-01 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-31 16:24 [RFC 0/5] Add I3C subsystem Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24 ` [RFC 1/5] i2c: Export of_i2c_get_board_info() Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24 ` [RFC 2/5] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 19:17   ` Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 19:17     ` Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 20:46     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 20:46       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 20:16   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-07-31 20:16     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-07-31 21:15     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 21:15       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 21:32       ` Peter Rosin
2017-07-31 21:32         ` Peter Rosin
2017-07-31 21:42       ` Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 21:42         ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 16:47         ` Andrew F. Davis
2017-08-01 16:47           ` Andrew F. Davis
2017-08-01 17:27           ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 17:27             ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 21:47             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 21:47               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-02 10:21               ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-02 10:21                 ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 12:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 12:00         ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 12:29         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 12:29           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 13:11           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 13:11             ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 13:34             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 13:34               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 13:58               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 13:58                 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 14:22                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 14:22                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 15:14                   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 15:14                     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 20:16                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 20:16                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-08-01 14:12               ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2017-08-01 14:12                 ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 14:48                 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 14:48                   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 15:01                   ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 15:01                     ` Wolfram Sang
2017-08-01 15:20                     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 15:20                       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-03  8:03                       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-03  8:03                         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-16 21:03                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-08-16 21:03                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-08-17  7:48                       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-17  7:48                         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01  1:40   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-01  1:40     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-01 10:48     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 10:48       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 17:51       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-01 17:51         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-01 21:30         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-01 21:30           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-02  0:54           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-02  0:54             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-02  2:13           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-02  2:13             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-13 16:20             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-12-13 16:20               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-12-13 16:51               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-13 16:51                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-08-17  9:03   ` Linus Walleij
2017-08-17  9:03     ` Linus Walleij
2017-08-17  9:28     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-17  9:28       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24 ` [RFC 3/5] dt-bindings: i3c: Document core bindings Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-09 23:43   ` Rob Herring
2017-08-09 23:43     ` Rob Herring
2017-08-10  8:49     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-08-10  8:49       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24 ` [RFC 4/5] i3c: master: Add driver for Cadence IP Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 16:24 ` [RFC 5/5] dt-bindings: i3c: Document Cadence I3C master bindings Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 19:17 ` [RFC 0/5] Add I3C subsystem Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 19:17   ` Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 20:40   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 20:40     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-07-31 20:47     ` Wolfram Sang
2017-07-31 20:47       ` Wolfram Sang
2017-12-12 19:58   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-12-12 19:58     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-12-12 22:01     ` Wolfram Sang
2017-12-12 22:01       ` Wolfram Sang

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