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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Laurent Dufour <ldufour@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	ak@linux.intel.com, mhocko@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net,
	jack@suse.cz, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au, paulus@samba.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com, khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	npiggin@gmail.com, bsingharora@gmail.com,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/20] mm: Provide speculative fault infrastructure
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:37:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170828093727.5wldedputadanssh@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170827001823.n5wgkfq36z6snvf2@node.shutemov.name>

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 03:18:23AM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:05:13AM +0200, Laurent Dufour wrote:
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Can't call vm_ops service has we don't know what they would do
> > +	 * with the VMA.
> > +	 * This include huge page from hugetlbfs.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (vma->vm_ops)
> > +		goto unlock;
> 
> I think we need to have a way to white-list safe ->vm_ops.

Either that, or simply teach all ->fault() callbacks about speculative
faults. Shouldn't be too hard, just 'work'.

> > +
> > +	if (unlikely(!vma->anon_vma))
> > +		goto unlock;
> 
> It deserves a comment.

Yes, that was very much not intended. It wrecks most of the fun. This
really _should_ work for file maps too.

> > +	/*
> > +	 * Do a speculative lookup of the PTE entry.
> > +	 */
> > +	local_irq_disable();
> > +	pgd = pgd_offset(mm, address);
> > +	if (pgd_none(*pgd) || unlikely(pgd_bad(*pgd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	p4d = p4d_alloc(mm, pgd, address);
> > +	if (p4d_none(*p4d) || unlikely(p4d_bad(*p4d)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	pud = pud_alloc(mm, p4d, address);
> > +	if (pud_none(*pud) || unlikely(pud_bad(*pud)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	pmd = pmd_offset(pud, address);
> > +	if (pmd_none(*pmd) || unlikely(pmd_bad(*pmd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * The above does not allocate/instantiate page-tables because doing so
> > +	 * would lead to the possibility of instantiating page-tables after
> > +	 * free_pgtables() -- and consequently leaking them.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * The result is that we take at least one !speculative fault per PMD
> > +	 * in order to instantiate it.
> > +	 */
> 
> 
> Doing all this job and just give up because we cannot allocate page tables
> looks very wasteful to me.
> 
> Have you considered to look how we can hand over from speculative to
> non-speculative path without starting from scratch (when possible)?

So we _can_ in fact allocate and install page-tables, but we have to be
very careful about it. The interesting case is where we race with
free_pgtables() and install a page that was just taken out.

But since we already have the VMA I think we can do something like:

	if (p*g_none()) {
		p*d_t *new = p*d_alloc_one(mm, address);

		spin_lock(&mm->page_table_lock);
		if (!vma_changed_or_dead(vma,seq)) {
			if (p*d_none())
				p*d_populate(mm, p*d, new);
			else
				p*d_free(new);

			new = NULL;
		}
		spin_unlock(&mm->page_table_lock);

		if (new) {
			p*d_free(new);
			goto out_walk;
		}
	}

I just never bothered with that, figured we ought to get the basics
working before trying to be clever.

> > +	/* Transparent huge pages are not supported. */
> > +	if (unlikely(pmd_trans_huge(*pmd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> 
> That's looks like a blocker to me.
> 
> Is there any problem with making it supported (besides plain coding)?

Not that I can remember, but I never really looked at THP, I don't think
we even had that when I did the first versions.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Laurent Dufour <ldufour@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	ak@linux.intel.com, mhocko@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net,
	jack@suse.cz, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au, paulus@samba.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com, khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	npiggin@gmail.com, bsingharora@gmail.com,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 14/20] mm: Provide speculative fault infrastructure
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:37:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170828093727.5wldedputadanssh@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170827001823.n5wgkfq36z6snvf2@node.shutemov.name>

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 03:18:23AM +0300, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:05:13AM +0200, Laurent Dufour wrote:
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Can't call vm_ops service has we don't know what they would do
> > +	 * with the VMA.
> > +	 * This include huge page from hugetlbfs.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (vma->vm_ops)
> > +		goto unlock;
> 
> I think we need to have a way to white-list safe ->vm_ops.

Either that, or simply teach all ->fault() callbacks about speculative
faults. Shouldn't be too hard, just 'work'.

> > +
> > +	if (unlikely(!vma->anon_vma))
> > +		goto unlock;
> 
> It deserves a comment.

Yes, that was very much not intended. It wrecks most of the fun. This
really _should_ work for file maps too.

> > +	/*
> > +	 * Do a speculative lookup of the PTE entry.
> > +	 */
> > +	local_irq_disable();
> > +	pgd = pgd_offset(mm, address);
> > +	if (pgd_none(*pgd) || unlikely(pgd_bad(*pgd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	p4d = p4d_alloc(mm, pgd, address);
> > +	if (p4d_none(*p4d) || unlikely(p4d_bad(*p4d)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	pud = pud_alloc(mm, p4d, address);
> > +	if (pud_none(*pud) || unlikely(pud_bad(*pud)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	pmd = pmd_offset(pud, address);
> > +	if (pmd_none(*pmd) || unlikely(pmd_bad(*pmd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * The above does not allocate/instantiate page-tables because doing so
> > +	 * would lead to the possibility of instantiating page-tables after
> > +	 * free_pgtables() -- and consequently leaking them.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * The result is that we take at least one !speculative fault per PMD
> > +	 * in order to instantiate it.
> > +	 */
> 
> 
> Doing all this job and just give up because we cannot allocate page tables
> looks very wasteful to me.
> 
> Have you considered to look how we can hand over from speculative to
> non-speculative path without starting from scratch (when possible)?

So we _can_ in fact allocate and install page-tables, but we have to be
very careful about it. The interesting case is where we race with
free_pgtables() and install a page that was just taken out.

But since we already have the VMA I think we can do something like:

	if (p*g_none()) {
		p*d_t *new = p*d_alloc_one(mm, address);

		spin_lock(&mm->page_table_lock);
		if (!vma_changed_or_dead(vma,seq)) {
			if (p*d_none())
				p*d_populate(mm, p*d, new);
			else
				p*d_free(new);

			new = NULL;
		}
		spin_unlock(&mm->page_table_lock);

		if (new) {
			p*d_free(new);
			goto out_walk;
		}
	}

I just never bothered with that, figured we ought to get the basics
working before trying to be clever.

> > +	/* Transparent huge pages are not supported. */
> > +	if (unlikely(pmd_trans_huge(*pmd)))
> > +		goto out_walk;
> 
> That's looks like a blocker to me.
> 
> Is there any problem with making it supported (besides plain coding)?

Not that I can remember, but I never really looked at THP, I don't think
we even had that when I did the first versions.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-28  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-17 22:04 [PATCH v2 00/20] Speculative page faults Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:04 ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] mm: Dont assume page-table invariance during faults Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] mm: Prepare for FAULT_FLAG_SPECULATIVE Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] mm: Introduce pte_spinlock " Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] mm: VMA sequence count Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] mm: Protect VMA modifications using " Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] mm: RCU free VMAs Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] mm: Cache some VMA fields in the vm_fault structure Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] mm: Protect SPF handler against anon_vma changes Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] mm/migrate: Pass vm_fault pointer to migrate_misplaced_page() Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] mm: Introduce __lru_cache_add_active_or_unevictable Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] mm: Introduce __maybe_mkwrite() Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] mm: Introduce __vm_normal_page() Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] mm: Introduce __page_add_new_anon_rmap() Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] mm: Provide speculative fault infrastructure Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-20 12:11   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-08-20 12:11     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-08-25  8:52     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-25  8:52       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-27  0:18   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-27  0:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-28  9:37     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-08-28  9:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-28 21:14       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-28 21:14         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-28 22:35         ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-28 22:35           ` Andi Kleen
2017-08-29  8:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29  8:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29  8:33         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29  8:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 11:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 11:27             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 21:19             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-29 21:19               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-30  6:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  6:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29  7:59     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29  7:59       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 12:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 12:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 13:18         ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 13:18           ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 13:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29 13:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  5:03             ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  5:03               ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  5:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  5:58                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  9:32                 ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-30  9:32                   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-31  6:55                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-31  6:55                     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-31  7:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-31  7:31                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  9:53               ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-30  9:53                 ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-30  3:48         ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  3:48           ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  5:25     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  5:25       ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-30  8:56     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-30  8:56       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] mm: Try spin lock in speculative path Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] mm: Adding speculative page fault failure trace events Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] perf: Add a speculative page fault sw event Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  8:55   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-21  8:55     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-22  1:46     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-08-22  1:46       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] perf tools: Add support for the SPF perf event Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  8:48   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-21  8:48     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-25  8:53     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-25  8:53       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] x86/mm: Add speculative pagefault handling Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  7:29   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-21  7:29     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-29 14:50     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 14:50       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 14:58       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 14:58         ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] powerpc/mm: Add speculative page fault Laurent Dufour
2017-08-17 22:05   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  6:58   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-21  6:58     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-29 15:13     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-29 15:13       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  2:26 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] Speculative page faults Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-08-21  2:26   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-09-08  9:24   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-09-08  9:24     ` Laurent Dufour
2017-09-11  0:45     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-09-11  0:45       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-09-11  6:28       ` Laurent Dufour
2017-09-11  6:28         ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-21  6:28 ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-21  6:28   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-08-22  0:41   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-22  0:41     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-25  9:41   ` Laurent Dufour
2017-08-25  9:41     ` Laurent Dufour

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