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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jerome Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Ross Zwisler" <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Bernhard Held" <berny156@gmx.de>,
	"Adam Borowski" <kilobyte@angband.pl>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Wanpeng Li" <kernellwp@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.de>, "Mike Galbraith" <efault@gmx.de>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	axie <axie@amd.com>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/13] mm/rmap: update to new mmu_notifier semantic
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:55:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170830205538.GH13559@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <180A2625-E3AB-44BF-A3B7-E687299B9DA9@gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:40:08AM -0700, Nadav Amit wrote:
> The mmu_notifier users would have to be aware that invalidations may be
> deferred. If they perform their ``invalidations’’ unconditionally, it may be
> ok. If the notifier users avoid invalidations based on the PTE in the
> secondary page-table, it can be a problem.

invalidate_page was always deferred post PT lock release.

This ->invalidate_range post PT lock release, is not a new thing,
we're still back to squre one to find out if invalidate_page callout
after PT lock release has always been broken here or not.

> On another note, you may want to consider combining the secondary page-table
> mechanisms with the existing TLB-flush mechanisms. Right now, it is
> partially done: tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(), for example, calls
> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range(). However, tlb_gather_mmu() does not call
> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start().

If you implement ->invalidate_range_start you don't care about tlb
gather at all and you must not implement ->invalidate_range.

> This can also prevent all kind of inconsistencies, and potential bugs. For
> instance, clear_refs_write() calls mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start/end()
> but in between there is no call for mmu_notifier_invalidate_range().

It's done in mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end which is again fully
equivalent except run after PT lock release.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jerome Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Ross Zwisler" <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Bernhard Held" <berny156@gmx.de>,
	"Adam Borowski" <kilobyte@angband.pl>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Wanpeng Li" <kernellwp@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.de>, "Mike Galbraith" <efault@gmx.de>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	axie <axie@amd.com>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/13] mm/rmap: update to new mmu_notifier semantic
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:55:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170830205538.GH13559@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <180A2625-E3AB-44BF-A3B7-E687299B9DA9@gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:40:08AM -0700, Nadav Amit wrote:
> The mmu_notifier users would have to be aware that invalidations may be
> deferred. If they perform their ``invalidationsa??a?? unconditionally, it may be
> ok. If the notifier users avoid invalidations based on the PTE in the
> secondary page-table, it can be a problem.

invalidate_page was always deferred post PT lock release.

This ->invalidate_range post PT lock release, is not a new thing,
we're still back to squre one to find out if invalidate_page callout
after PT lock release has always been broken here or not.

> On another note, you may want to consider combining the secondary page-table
> mechanisms with the existing TLB-flush mechanisms. Right now, it is
> partially done: tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(), for example, calls
> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range(). However, tlb_gather_mmu() does not call
> mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start().

If you implement ->invalidate_range_start you don't care about tlb
gather at all and you must not implement ->invalidate_range.

> This can also prevent all kind of inconsistencies, and potential bugs. For
> instance, clear_refs_write() calls mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start/end()
> but in between there is no call for mmu_notifier_invalidate_range().

It's done in mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_end which is again fully
equivalent except run after PT lock release.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-30 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-29 23:54 [PATCH 00/13] mmu_notifier kill invalidate_page callback Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 01/13] dax: update to new mmu_notifier semantic Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 02/13] mm/rmap: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  2:46   ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  2:46     ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  2:59     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  2:59       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  3:16       ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  3:16         ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  3:18         ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30  3:18           ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 17:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 17:27       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 18:00       ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 18:00         ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 21:25         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 21:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 23:25           ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 23:25             ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-31  0:47             ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31  0:47               ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31  0:47               ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31 17:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 17:12                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 17:12                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 19:15                 ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-31 19:15                   ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 18:20       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 18:20         ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 18:40         ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 18:40           ` Nadav Amit
2017-08-30 20:45           ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 20:45             ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 22:17             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 22:17               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 20:55           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2017-08-30 20:55             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 16:52   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 16:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 17:48     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 17:48       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30 21:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30 21:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30 23:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-30 23:01         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-31 18:25         ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31 18:25           ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-31 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-31 19:40             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 03/13] powerpc/powernv: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 04/13] drm/amdgpu: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  6:18   ` Christian König
2017-08-30  6:18     ` Christian König
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 05/13] IB/umem: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30  6:13   ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 06/13] IB/hfi1: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-09-06 14:08   ` Arumugam, Kamenee
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 07/13] iommu/amd: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 08/13] iommu/intel: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 09/13] misc/mic/scif: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 10/13] sgi-gru: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 11/13] xen/gntdev: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-30 19:32   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-30 19:32   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2017-08-29 23:54 ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 12/13] KVM: " Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54 ` [PATCH 13/13] mm/mmu_notifier: kill invalidate_page Jérôme Glisse
2017-08-29 23:54   ` Jérôme Glisse
     [not found] ` <20170829235447.10050-1-jglisse-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-30  0:11   ` [PATCH 00/13] mmu_notifier kill invalidate_page callback Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30  0:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30  0:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30  0:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-30  0:56     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  0:56     ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  0:56       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  0:56       ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  8:40       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30  8:40       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30  8:40         ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30  8:40         ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30  8:40         ` Mike Galbraith
2017-08-30 14:57       ` Adam Borowski
2017-08-30 14:57       ` Adam Borowski
2017-08-30 14:57         ` Adam Borowski
2017-08-30 14:57         ` Adam Borowski
2017-09-01 14:47         ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:47         ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:47           ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:47           ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:47           ` Jeff Cook
2017-09-01 14:50           ` taskboxtester
2017-09-01 14:50             ` taskboxtester
2017-08-30 21:51   ` Felix Kuehling
2017-08-31 13:59     ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]       ` <20170831135953.GA9227-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-31 14:14         ` Christian König
2017-08-31 18:39         ` Felix Kuehling
2017-08-31 19:00           ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]             ` <20170831190021.GG9227-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-31 23:19               ` Felix Kuehling
2017-08-31 23:29                 ` Jerome Glisse
2017-08-30  0:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  9:33 ` BSOD with " Fabian Grünbichler
2017-11-30  9:33   ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-11-30 11:20   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-30 11:20     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-30 11:20     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-30 16:19     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 16:19       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05       ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: fix APIC page invalidation Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05         ` [PATCH 2/2] TESTING! KVM: x86: add invalidate_range mmu notifier Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 18:05           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-12-01 15:15           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-01 15:15             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-01 15:15             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-03 17:24             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-03 17:24               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-03 17:24               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-01 12:21         ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: fix APIC page invalidation Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-01 12:21           ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-01 15:27         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-01 15:27           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-03 17:28         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-03 17:28           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-03 17:28           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-12-06  2:32         ` Wanpeng Li
2017-12-06  2:32           ` Wanpeng Li
2017-12-06  9:50           ` 王金浦
2017-12-06  9:50             ` 王金浦
2017-12-06 10:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-06 10:00               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-06 10:00               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-06  8:15         ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-06  8:15           ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-06  8:15           ` Fabian Grünbichler
2017-12-13 12:54         ` Richard Purdie
2017-12-13 12:54           ` Richard Purdie
2017-12-13 12:54           ` Richard Purdie
2017-11-30 16:19     ` BSOD with [PATCH 00/13] mmu_notifier kill invalidate_page callback Radim Krčmář
2017-11-30 11:20   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-30  9:33 ` Fabian Grünbichler

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