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From: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [v8 0/4] cgroup-aware OOM killer
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:56:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170913215607.GA19259@castle> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170913122914.5gdksbmkolum7ita@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 02:29:14PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 11-09-17 13:44:39, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > 
> > > This patchset makes the OOM killer cgroup-aware.
> > > 
> > > v8:
> > >   - Do not kill tasks with OOM_SCORE_ADJ -1000
> > >   - Make the whole thing opt-in with cgroup mount option control
> > >   - Drop oom_priority for further discussions
> > 
> > Nack, we specifically require oom_priority for this to function correctly, 
> > otherwise we cannot prefer to kill from low priority leaf memcgs as 
> > required.
> 
> While I understand that your usecase might require priorities I do not
> think this part missing is a reason to nack the cgroup based selection
> and kill-all parts. This can be done on top. The only important part
> right now is the current selection semantic - only leaf memcgs vs. size
> of the hierarchy).

I agree.

> I strongly believe that comparing only leaf memcgs
> is more straightforward and it doesn't lead to unexpected results as
> mentioned before (kill a small memcg which is a part of the larger
> sub-hierarchy).

One of two main goals of this patchset is to introduce cgroup-level
fairness: bigger cgroups should be affected more than smaller,
despite the size of tasks inside. I believe the same principle
should be used for cgroups.

Also, the opposite will make oom_semantics more weird: it will mean
kill all tasks, but also treat memcg as a leaf cgroup.

> 
> I didn't get to read the new version of this series yet and hope to get
> to it soon.

Thanks!

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From: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@fb.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [v8 0/4] cgroup-aware OOM killer
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:56:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170913215607.GA19259@castle> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170913122914.5gdksbmkolum7ita@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 02:29:14PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 11-09-17 13:44:39, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > 
> > > This patchset makes the OOM killer cgroup-aware.
> > > 
> > > v8:
> > >   - Do not kill tasks with OOM_SCORE_ADJ -1000
> > >   - Make the whole thing opt-in with cgroup mount option control
> > >   - Drop oom_priority for further discussions
> > 
> > Nack, we specifically require oom_priority for this to function correctly, 
> > otherwise we cannot prefer to kill from low priority leaf memcgs as 
> > required.
> 
> While I understand that your usecase might require priorities I do not
> think this part missing is a reason to nack the cgroup based selection
> and kill-all parts. This can be done on top. The only important part
> right now is the current selection semantic - only leaf memcgs vs. size
> of the hierarchy).

I agree.

> I strongly believe that comparing only leaf memcgs
> is more straightforward and it doesn't lead to unexpected results as
> mentioned before (kill a small memcg which is a part of the larger
> sub-hierarchy).

One of two main goals of this patchset is to introduce cgroup-level
fairness: bigger cgroups should be affected more than smaller,
despite the size of tasks inside. I believe the same principle
should be used for cgroups.

Also, the opposite will make oom_semantics more weird: it will mean
kill all tasks, but also treat memcg as a leaf cgroup.

> 
> I didn't get to read the new version of this series yet and hope to get
> to it soon.

Thanks!

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Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-11 13:17 [v8 0/4] cgroup-aware OOM killer Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17 ` [v8 1/4] mm, oom: refactor the oom_kill_process() function Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 20:51   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-11 20:51     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-14 13:42   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-14 13:42     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-11 13:17 ` [v8 2/4] mm, oom: cgroup-aware OOM killer Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-13 20:46   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 20:46     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 21:59     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-13 21:59       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-13 21:59       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17 ` [v8 3/4] mm, oom: add cgroup v2 mount option for " Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 20:48   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-11 20:48     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-12 20:01     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-12 20:01       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-12 20:23       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-12 20:23         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 12:23       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-13 12:23         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-11 13:17 ` [v8 4/4] mm, oom, docs: describe the " Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 13:17   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-11 20:44 ` [v8 0/4] " David Rientjes
2017-09-11 20:44   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 12:29   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-13 12:29     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-13 20:46     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 20:46       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-14 13:34       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-14 13:34         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-14 20:07         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-14 20:07           ` David Rientjes
2017-09-13 21:56     ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2017-09-13 21:56       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-14 13:40       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-14 13:40         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-14 16:05         ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-14 16:05           ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-15 10:58           ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-15 10:58             ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-15 15:23             ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-15 15:23               ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-15 19:55               ` David Rientjes
2017-09-15 19:55                 ` David Rientjes
2017-09-15 21:08                 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-15 21:08                   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-18  6:20                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-18  6:20                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-18 15:02                     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-18 15:02                       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-18 15:02                       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-21  8:30                       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-21  8:30                         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-19 20:54                   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-19 20:54                     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-20 22:24                     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-20 22:24                       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-21  8:27                       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-21  8:27                         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-18  6:16                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-18  6:16                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-19 20:51                   ` David Rientjes
2017-09-19 20:51                     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-18  6:14               ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-18  6:14                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-20 21:53                 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-20 21:53                   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-20 21:53                   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-25 12:24                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-25 12:24                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-25 17:00                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-25 17:00                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-25 18:15                       ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-25 18:15                         ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-25 20:25                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-25 20:25                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-25 20:25                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 10:59                           ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-26 10:59                             ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-26 11:21                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 11:21                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 12:13                               ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-26 12:13                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-26 12:13                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-26 13:30                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 13:30                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 17:26                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-26 17:26                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-27  3:37                                     ` Tim Hockin
2017-09-27  3:37                                       ` Tim Hockin
2017-09-27  7:43                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  7:43                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 10:19                                         ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27 10:19                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27 10:19                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27 15:35                                         ` Tim Hockin
2017-09-27 15:35                                           ` Tim Hockin
2017-09-27 16:23                                           ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27 16:23                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27 18:11                                             ` Tim Hockin
2017-09-27 18:11                                               ` Tim Hockin
2017-10-01 23:29                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-01 23:29                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 11:56                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-02 11:56                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-02 12:24                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 12:24                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 12:47                                                   ` Roman Gushchin
2017-10-02 12:47                                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2017-10-02 14:29                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 14:29                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 14:29                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 19:00                                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 19:00                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 19:28                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 19:28                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 19:45                                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 19:45                                                         ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 19:56                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 19:56                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 20:00                                                           ` Tim Hockin
2017-10-02 20:00                                                             ` Tim Hockin
2017-10-02 20:08                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 20:08                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 20:09                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 20:20                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 20:20                                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 20:24                                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 20:24                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-02 20:34                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-02 20:34                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-02 20:55                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 20:55                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-25 22:21                       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-25 22:21                         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-26  8:46                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26  8:46                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 21:04                           ` David Rientjes
2017-09-26 21:04                             ` David Rientjes
2017-09-27  7:37                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  7:37                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  9:57                               ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-27  9:57                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-09-21 14:21   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-21 14:21     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-21 21:17     ` David Rientjes
2017-09-21 21:17       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-21 21:17       ` David Rientjes
2017-09-21 21:51       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-21 21:51         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-09-22 20:53         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-22 20:53           ` David Rientjes
2017-09-22 15:44       ` Tejun Heo
2017-09-22 15:44         ` Tejun Heo
2017-09-22 15:44         ` Tejun Heo
2017-09-22 20:39         ` David Rientjes
2017-09-22 20:39           ` David Rientjes
2017-09-22 20:39           ` David Rientjes
2017-09-22 21:05           ` Tejun Heo
2017-09-22 21:05             ` Tejun Heo
2017-09-23  8:16             ` David Rientjes
2017-09-23  8:16               ` David Rientjes

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