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From: Simon Horman <simon.horman@netronome.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jiri@mellanox.com, jhs@mojatatu.com, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, oss-drivers@netronome.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] net/sched: support tunnel options in cls_flower and act_tunnel_key
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 09:50:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171002075013.GA22179@netronome.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170929.055423.108055524887949393.davem@davemloft.net>

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 05:54:23AM +0100, David Miller wrote:
> From: Simon Horman <simon.horman@netronome.com>
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:16:32 +0200
> 
> > Users of options:
> > 
> > * There are eBPF hooks to allow getting on and setting tunnel metadata:
> >   bpf_skb_set_tunnel_opt, bpf_skb_get_tunnel_opt.
> > 
> > * Open vSwitch is able to match and set Geneve and VXLAN-GBP options.
> > 
> > Neither of the above appear to assume any structure for the data.
> 
> I really worry about this.
> 
> These metadata option blobs are internal kernel datastructure which we
> could change at any point in time.  They are not exported to
> userspace as a UAPI.
> 
> It's kinda OK for eBPF programs to access this stuff since they are
> expected to cope with changes to internal data-structures.
> 
> But for anything user facing, this really doesn't work.

Hi Dave, Hi Jiri,

the feedback I got from Jiri is that there needs to be some exposure
of TLVs. What I have in mind is to describe Geneve option TLVs in the
UAPI and for the kernel - most likely cls_flower, possibly using helpers,
to translate between that encoding and the one used internally by the kernel
- which currently happens to be the on-the-wire format.

I believe that in order to avoid per-packet overhead and at the same time
code complexity the TLVs should be described in-order. So matching on
TLV-A,TLV-B,TLV-C would be a different match to TLV-C,TLV-A,TLV-B.  An
order-independent match could be added if desired in future.

This would mean the feature is initially restricted to Geneve but could
be expended to offer a similar feature for other encapsulation protocols
as the need arises.

Would this address your concerns?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-02  7:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-27  8:16 [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] net/sched: support tunnel options in cls_flower and act_tunnel_key Simon Horman
2017-09-27  8:16 ` [PATCH v2 net-next 1/2] net/sched: add tunnel option support to act_tunnel_key Simon Horman
2017-09-27  8:16 ` [PATCH v2 net-next 2/2] net/sched: allow flower to match tunnel options Simon Horman
2017-09-27  9:10   ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27  9:27     ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 11:08       ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27 11:54         ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 12:52         ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 12:56           ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27 13:37             ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 13:47               ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27 13:50                 ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 14:00                   ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27 14:09                     ` Simon Horman
2017-09-27 14:19                       ` Jiri Pirko
2017-09-27 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 net-next 0/2] net/sched: support tunnel options in cls_flower and act_tunnel_key Jiri Benc
2017-09-29  4:54 ` David Miller
2017-10-02  7:50   ` Simon Horman [this message]
2017-10-05 12:51     ` Jiri Benc

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