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From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Okamoto Takayuki"
	<tokamoto-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	libc-alpha-9JcytcrH/bA+uJoB2kUjGw@public.gmane.org,
	"Ard Biesheuvel"
	<ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Szabolcs Nagy" <szabolcs.nagy-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Richard Sandiford"
	<richard.sandiford-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michael Kerrisk"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Alan Hayward" <alan.hayward-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"Alex Bennée"
	<alex.bennee-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	kvmarm-FPEHb7Xf0XXUo1n7N8X6UoWGPAHP3yOg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 26/28] arm64/sve: Add documentation
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:35:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013173500.GP19485@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013142421.j32jzisukewxtosx-+1aNUgJU5qkijLcmloz0ER/iLCjYCKR+VpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 03:24:21PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 07:38:43PM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:

[...]

> > +* If the SVE context is too big to fit in sigcontext.__reserved[], then extra
> > +  space is allocated on the stack, an extra_context record is written in
> > +  __reserved[] referencing this space.  sve_context is then written in the
> > +  extra space.  Refer to [1] for further details about this mechanism.
> 
> Does this document require that the user stack is sufficiently large or
> should we cap the vector length (prior to the last two RFC patches)?

Oh, I think I missed your point here.

I don't think it's worth capping the vector length beyond what the
series alread does: the last two patches provide a way to find out how
big the signal frame could be, but software still needs porting either
way if it enables large vectors via prctl or ptrace.

Conversely, software basing its stack allocations on SIGSTKSZ (16K) will
probably get away with it: this seems to be the common choice when
allocating stacks.  Apart from models, we're not likely to see SVE
implementations with huge vector lengths for a while yet.


In any case, /proc/sys/abi/sve_default_vector_length proves a
discretionary global clamp that can be set by the distro or admin.  This
will prevent programs from seeing large frames unless the VL is set
explicitly to something > 64 bytes via prctl/ptrace (which current
software won't do).

[...]

Cheers
---Dave

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, "Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Okamoto Takayuki" <tokamoto@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"Szabolcs Nagy" <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	"Richard Sandiford" <richard.sandiford@arm.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Alan Hayward" <alan.hayward@arm.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 26/28] arm64/sve: Add documentation
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:35:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013173500.GP19485@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20171013173501.2j_vDvCxbblmgVp8d65FQNWxRaUp-606a3FLsOafRmU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013142421.j32jzisukewxtosx@armageddon.cambridge.arm.com>

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 03:24:21PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 07:38:43PM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:

[...]

> > +* If the SVE context is too big to fit in sigcontext.__reserved[], then extra
> > +  space is allocated on the stack, an extra_context record is written in
> > +  __reserved[] referencing this space.  sve_context is then written in the
> > +  extra space.  Refer to [1] for further details about this mechanism.
> 
> Does this document require that the user stack is sufficiently large or
> should we cap the vector length (prior to the last two RFC patches)?

Oh, I think I missed your point here.

I don't think it's worth capping the vector length beyond what the
series alread does: the last two patches provide a way to find out how
big the signal frame could be, but software still needs porting either
way if it enables large vectors via prctl or ptrace.

Conversely, software basing its stack allocations on SIGSTKSZ (16K) will
probably get away with it: this seems to be the common choice when
allocating stacks.  Apart from models, we're not likely to see SVE
implementations with huge vector lengths for a while yet.


In any case, /proc/sys/abi/sve_default_vector_length proves a
discretionary global clamp that can be set by the distro or admin.  This
will prevent programs from seeing large frames unless the VL is set
explicitly to something > 64 bytes via prctl/ptrace (which current
software won't do).

[...]

Cheers
---Dave

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave.Martin@arm.com (Dave Martin)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 26/28] arm64/sve: Add documentation
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:35:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013173500.GP19485@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013142421.j32jzisukewxtosx@armageddon.cambridge.arm.com>

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 03:24:21PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 07:38:43PM +0100, Dave P Martin wrote:

[...]

> > +* If the SVE context is too big to fit in sigcontext.__reserved[], then extra
> > +  space is allocated on the stack, an extra_context record is written in
> > +  __reserved[] referencing this space.  sve_context is then written in the
> > +  extra space.  Refer to [1] for further details about this mechanism.
> 
> Does this document require that the user stack is sufficiently large or
> should we cap the vector length (prior to the last two RFC patches)?

Oh, I think I missed your point here.

I don't think it's worth capping the vector length beyond what the
series alread does: the last two patches provide a way to find out how
big the signal frame could be, but software still needs porting either
way if it enables large vectors via prctl or ptrace.

Conversely, software basing its stack allocations on SIGSTKSZ (16K) will
probably get away with it: this seems to be the common choice when
allocating stacks.  Apart from models, we're not likely to see SVE
implementations with huge vector lengths for a while yet.


In any case, /proc/sys/abi/sve_default_vector_length proves a
discretionary global clamp that can be set by the distro or admin.  This
will prevent programs from seeing large frames unless the VL is set
explicitly to something > 64 bytes via prctl/ptrace (which current
software won't do).

[...]

Cheers
---Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-13 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-10 18:38 [PATCH v3 00/28] ARM Scalable Vector Extension (SVE) Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] regset: Add support for dynamically sized regsets Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:45     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:45       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:45       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:45       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] arm64: KVM: Hide unsupported AArch64 CPU features from guests Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:21   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-11 16:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-17 13:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 13:51     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 14:08     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-17 14:08       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-18 13:20       ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 13:20         ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 14:45         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 14:45           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 19:19           ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 19:19             ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] arm64: efi: Add missing Kconfig dependency on KERNEL_MODE_NEON Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:16   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:35     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:35       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] arm64: Port deprecated instruction emulation to new sysctl interface Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:17   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:17     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] arm64: fpsimd: Simplify uses of {set, clear}_ti_thread_flag() Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` [PATCH v3 05/28] arm64: fpsimd: Simplify uses of {set,clear}_ti_thread_flag() Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:19   ` [PATCH v3 05/28] arm64: fpsimd: Simplify uses of {set, clear}_ti_thread_flag() Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:19     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] arm64/sve: System register and exception syndrome definitions Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:20   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:20     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] arm64/sve: Low-level SVE architectural state manipulation functions Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:28   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:28     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:39     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:39       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] arm64/sve: Kconfig update and conditional compilation support Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:29   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] arm64/sve: Signal frame and context structure definition Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:29   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:29     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] arm64/sve: Low-level CPU setup Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 14:30   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 14:30     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] arm64/sve: Core task context handling Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:15     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 16:05     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 16:05       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 13:57       ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 13:57         ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 17:53         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 17:53           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] arm64/sve: Support vector length resetting for new processes Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:16   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] arm64/sve: Signal handling support Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:40   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:40     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 16:11     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 16:11       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 11:17       ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 11:17         ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 11:17         ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 14:26         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 14:26           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] arm64/sve: Backend logic for setting the vector length Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:43   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:43     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] arm64: cpufeature: Move sys_caps_initialised declarations Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:50   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:50     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] arm64/sve: Probe SVE capabilities and usable vector lengths Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:55   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-11 16:55     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 12:56   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-12 12:56     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 15:46     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 15:46       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 16:27       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:27         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:27         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:44         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 16:44           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 16:47           ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:47             ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:47             ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:55             ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 16:55               ` Dave Martin
2017-10-16 16:58               ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-16 16:58                 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] arm64/sve: Preserve SVE registers around kernel-mode NEON use Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 10:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 10:15     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] arm64/sve: Preserve SVE registers around EFI runtime service calls Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 10:57   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 10:57     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 10:57     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] arm64/sve: ptrace and ELF coredump support Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 17:06   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:06     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 16:16     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 16:16       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 16:16       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 10:32       ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-18 10:32         ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-18 16:02         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 16:02           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] arm64/sve: Add prctl controls for userspace vector length management Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 17:11   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:11     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] arm64/sve: Add sysctl to set the default vector length for new processes Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 17:11   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:11     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] arm64/sve: KVM: Prevent guests from using SVE Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:28   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-11 16:28     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-12 11:04     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 11:04       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 11:28       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-12 11:28         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-13 14:15         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 14:15           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 14:21           ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-13 14:21             ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-13 16:47             ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 16:47               ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 17:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:13     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-17 11:50   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 11:50     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 11:50     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 11:50     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 14:31     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-17 14:31       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 13:23       ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 13:23         ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 15:00         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 15:00           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 19:22           ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 19:22             ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] arm64/sve: KVM: Treat guest SVE use as undefined instruction execution Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-12 17:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:13     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-17 13:58   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 13:58     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] arm64/sve: KVM: Hide SVE from CPU features exposed to guests Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 16:31   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-11 16:31     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-12 17:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:13     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-17 13:58   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 13:58     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-17 14:07     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-17 14:07       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-17 14:29       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-17 14:29         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-17 14:29         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-10-17 15:47         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-17 15:47           ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 13:21           ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 13:21             ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 15:01             ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 15:01               ` Dave Martin
2017-10-18 16:49               ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-18 16:49                 ` Christoffer Dall
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] arm64/sve: Detect SVE and activate runtime support Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 17:11   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-11 17:11     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-10-12 17:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-12 17:14     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] arm64/sve: Add documentation Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11  9:50   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-11  9:50     ` Szabolcs Nagy
     [not found]     ` <59DDE958.4080605-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-11 11:08       ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 11:08         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 11:08         ` Dave Martin
     [not found]         ` <20171011110811.GB19485-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-11 11:30           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-11 11:30             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-11 11:30             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-13 14:24   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 14:24     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-13 17:17     ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 17:17       ` Dave Martin
     [not found]       ` <20171013171758.GO19485-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18  9:32         ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-18  9:32           ` Catalin Marinas
2017-10-18  9:32           ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]     ` <20171013142421.j32jzisukewxtosx-+1aNUgJU5qkijLcmloz0ER/iLCjYCKR+VpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 17:35       ` Dave Martin [this message]
2017-10-13 17:35         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-13 17:35         ` Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 27/28] arm64: signal: Report signal frame size to userspace via auxv Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin
2017-10-11 10:19   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-11 10:19     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-10-11 13:14     ` Dave P Martin
2017-10-11 13:14       ` Dave P Martin
2017-10-10 18:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 28/28] arm64/sve: signal: Include SVE when computing AT_MINSIGSTKSZ Dave Martin
2017-10-10 18:38   ` Dave Martin

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