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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs, mm: account filp and names caches to kmemcg
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:45:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171024154511.GA32340@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013063555.pa7uco43mod7vrkn@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:35:55AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 12-10-17 15:03:12, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > All I'm saying is that, when the syscall-context fails to charge, we
> > should do mem_cgroup_oom() to set up the async OOM killer, let the
> > charge succeed over the hard limit - since the OOM killer will most
> > likely get us back below the limit - then mem_cgroup_oom_synchronize()
> > before the syscall returns to userspace.
> 
> OK, then we are on the same page now. Your initial wording didn't
> mention async OOM killer. This makes more sense. Although I would argue
> that we can retry the charge as long as out_of_memory finds a victim.
> This would return ENOMEM to the pathological cases where no victims
> could be found.

I think that's much worse because it's even harder to test and verify
your applications against.

If syscalls can return -ENOMEM on OOM, they should do so reliably.

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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs, mm: account filp and names caches to kmemcg
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:45:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171024154511.GA32340@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013063555.pa7uco43mod7vrkn@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:35:55AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 12-10-17 15:03:12, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > All I'm saying is that, when the syscall-context fails to charge, we
> > should do mem_cgroup_oom() to set up the async OOM killer, let the
> > charge succeed over the hard limit - since the OOM killer will most
> > likely get us back below the limit - then mem_cgroup_oom_synchronize()
> > before the syscall returns to userspace.
> 
> OK, then we are on the same page now. Your initial wording didn't
> mention async OOM killer. This makes more sense. Although I would argue
> that we can retry the charge as long as out_of_memory finds a victim.
> This would return ENOMEM to the pathological cases where no victims
> could be found.

I think that's much worse because it's even harder to test and verify
your applications against.

If syscalls can return -ENOMEM on OOM, they should do so reliably.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-24 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-05 22:21 [PATCH] fs, mm: account filp and names caches to kmemcg Shakeel Butt
2017-10-05 22:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-06  7:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-06  7:59   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-06 19:33   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-06 19:33     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-09  6:24     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09  6:24       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 17:52       ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-09 17:52         ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-09 18:04         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:04           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:17           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:17             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10  9:10             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10  9:10               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 22:21               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-10 22:21                 ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-11  9:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-11  9:09                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 20:26         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-09 20:26           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-10  9:14           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10  9:14             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 14:17             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-10 14:17               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-10 14:24               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 14:24                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-12 19:03                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-12 19:03                   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-12 23:57                   ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-12 23:57                     ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-13  6:51                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  6:51                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  6:35                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  6:35                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  7:00                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13  7:00                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13 15:24                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-13 15:24                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 12:18                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 12:18                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 17:54                           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 17:54                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:06                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:06                           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:22                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 16:22                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 17:23                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 17:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 17:55                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 17:55                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 18:58                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 18:58                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 20:15                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 20:15                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25  6:51                                     ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-25  6:51                                       ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-25  7:15                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25  7:15                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 13:11                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 13:11                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 14:12                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 14:12                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 16:44                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 16:44                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 17:29                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 17:29                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 18:11                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 18:11                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 19:00                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 19:00                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 21:13                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 21:13                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-25 22:49                                                       ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-25 22:49                                                         ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-26  7:49                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-26  7:49                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-26 12:45                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-26 12:45                                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-26 14:31                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-26 14:31                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-26 19:56                                                           ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-26 19:56                                                             ` Greg Thelen
2017-10-27  8:20                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-27  8:20                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-27 20:50                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-27 20:50                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-30  8:29                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-30  8:29                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-30 19:28                                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-30 19:28                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-10-31  8:00                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-31  8:00                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-31 16:49                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-31 16:49                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-31 18:50                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-31 18:50                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 15:45                     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2017-10-24 15:45                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-10-24 16:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 16:30                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-10 23:32 ` Al Viro
2017-10-10 23:32   ` Al Viro

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