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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, mhocko@kernel.org, minchan@kernel.org,
	ying.huang@intel.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	gthelen@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm,vmscan: Kill global shrinker lock.
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:28:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171120182838.GU3624@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201711201956.IIB86978.OFMVFFOJLtOSHQ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 07:56:28PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:42:37AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > The patch has been dropped because allnoconfig failed to compile back
> > > then http://lkml.kernel.org/r/CAP=VYLr0rPWi1aeuk4w1On9CYRNmnEWwJgGtaX=wEvGaBURtrg@mail.gmail.com
> > > I have problem to find the follow up discussion though. The main
> > > argument was that SRC is not generally available and so the core
> > > kernel should rely on it.
> > 
> > Paul,
> > 
> > isthere any good reason to not use SRCU in the core kernel and
> > instead try to reimplement it using atomic counters?
> 
> CONFIG_SRCU was added in order to save system size. There are users who run Linux on very
> small systems ( https://www.elinux.org/images/5/52/Status-of-embedded-Linux-2017-09-JJ62.pdf ).
> 
> Also, atomic counters are not mandatory for shrinker case; e.g.
> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/201711161956.EBF57883.QFFMOLOVSOHJFt@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp .

CONFIG_SRCU was indeed added in order to shrink single-CPU systems.
But many architectures are now requiring SRCU for one reason or another,
in more and more situations.

So I recently implemented a UP-only Tiny SRCU, which is quite a bit
smaller than its scalable counterpart, Tree SRCU:

   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
    983	     64	      0	   1047	    417	/tmp/c/kernel/rcu/srcutiny.o

   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
   6844	    193	      0	   7037	   1b7d	/tmp/b/kernel/rcu/srcutree.o

So perhaps it is time to unconditionally enable SRCU?

							Thanx, Paul

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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, mhocko@kernel.org, minchan@kernel.org,
	ying.huang@intel.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	gthelen@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm,vmscan: Kill global shrinker lock.
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:28:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171120182838.GU3624@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201711201956.IIB86978.OFMVFFOJLtOSHQ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 07:56:28PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:42:37AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > The patch has been dropped because allnoconfig failed to compile back
> > > then http://lkml.kernel.org/r/CAP=VYLr0rPWi1aeuk4w1On9CYRNmnEWwJgGtaX=wEvGaBURtrg@mail.gmail.com
> > > I have problem to find the follow up discussion though. The main
> > > argument was that SRC is not generally available and so the core
> > > kernel should rely on it.
> > 
> > Paul,
> > 
> > isthere any good reason to not use SRCU in the core kernel and
> > instead try to reimplement it using atomic counters?
> 
> CONFIG_SRCU was added in order to save system size. There are users who run Linux on very
> small systems ( https://www.elinux.org/images/5/52/Status-of-embedded-Linux-2017-09-JJ62.pdf ).
> 
> Also, atomic counters are not mandatory for shrinker case; e.g.
> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/201711161956.EBF57883.QFFMOLOVSOHJFt@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp .

CONFIG_SRCU was indeed added in order to shrink single-CPU systems.
But many architectures are now requiring SRCU for one reason or another,
in more and more situations.

So I recently implemented a UP-only Tiny SRCU, which is quite a bit
smaller than its scalable counterpart, Tree SRCU:

   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
    983	     64	      0	   1047	    417	/tmp/c/kernel/rcu/srcutiny.o

   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
   6844	    193	      0	   7037	   1b7d	/tmp/b/kernel/rcu/srcutree.o

So perhaps it is time to unconditionally enable SRCU?

							Thanx, Paul

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-20 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-13 21:37 [PATCH 1/2] mm,vmscan: Kill global shrinker lock Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-13 21:37 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-13 21:37 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,vmscan: Allow parallel registration/unregistration of shrinkers Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-13 21:37   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-13 22:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,vmscan: Kill global shrinker lock Shakeel Butt
2017-11-13 22:05   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-15  0:56 ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-15  0:56   ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-15  6:28   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-15  6:28     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-16  0:46     ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-16  0:46       ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-16  1:41       ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-16  1:41         ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-16  4:50         ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-16  4:50           ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-15  8:56   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15  8:56     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15  9:18     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15  9:18       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-16 17:44   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-16 17:44     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-23 23:46     ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-23 23:46       ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-15  9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15 10:58   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-15 10:58     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-15 11:51     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15 11:51       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-16  0:56       ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-16  0:56         ` Minchan Kim
2017-11-15 13:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-15 13:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-16 10:56       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-16 10:56         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-15 14:00   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-15 14:00     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-11-15 14:11     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-15 14:11       ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25  2:04       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-25  2:04         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-25  8:36         ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25  8:36           ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25 10:56           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-25 10:56             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-25 11:41             ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25 11:41               ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-25 22:19             ` Eric Wheeler
2018-01-25 22:19               ` Eric Wheeler
2018-01-26  3:12               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-26  3:12                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-26 10:08                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-01-26 10:08                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-17 17:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-17 17:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-17 17:41   ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-17 17:41     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-17 17:53     ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-17 17:53       ` Shakeel Butt
2017-11-17 18:36     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-17 18:36       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-20  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-20  9:25     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-20  9:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-20  9:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-20  9:42       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-20  9:42         ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-20 10:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-20 10:41           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-20 10:56           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-20 10:56             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-20 18:28             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-11-20 18:28               ` Paul E. McKenney

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