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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, jan.kiszka@siemens.com,
	avi.cohen@huawei.com, zhiyong.yang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:41:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171205164154.GD6712@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205174833-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:55:45PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:59:50PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:33:11AM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
> > > Add the vhost-pci-net device emulation. The device uses bar 2 to expose
> > > the remote VM's memory to the guest. The first 4KB of the the bar area
> > > stores the metadata which describes the remote memory and vring info.
> > 
> > This device looks like the beginning of a new "vhost-pci" virtio device
> > type.  There are layering violations:
> > 
> > 1. This has nothing to do with virtio-net or networking, it's purely
> >    vhost-pci.  Why is it called vhost-pci-net instead of vhost-pci?
> > 
> > 2. VirtIODevice does not know about PCI.  It should work over virtio-ccw
> >    or virtio-mmio.  This patch talks about BARs inside a VirtIODevice so
> >    there is a problem here.
> 
> I think the point is how memory is exposed to another guest.  This
> device exposes it as a pci bar. I don't think e.g. ccw can do this,
> it's all hypercall-based.

Yes, that's why the BAR issue needs to be discussed.

In terms of the patches, the clean way to do it is for the
vhost-pci device to have a memory region that is not called "BAR".  The
virtio-pci transport can expose it as a BAR but the device doesn't need
to know about it.  Other transports that support memory mapping could
then work with this device too.

The VIRTIO specification needs to capture this transport requirement
somehow too so it's clear that the vhost device can only run over
transports that support memory mapping.

That said, it's not clear to me why the vhost-pci device is a VIRTIO
device.  It doesn't use virtqueues or the configuration space.  It only
uses the vhost-user chardev and the mapped memory.  Isn't it better to
make it a PCI device?

Stefan

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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, jan.kiszka@siemens.com,
	avi.cohen@huawei.com, zhiyong.yang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:41:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171205164154.GD6712@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205174833-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:55:45PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:59:50PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:33:11AM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
> > > Add the vhost-pci-net device emulation. The device uses bar 2 to expose
> > > the remote VM's memory to the guest. The first 4KB of the the bar area
> > > stores the metadata which describes the remote memory and vring info.
> > 
> > This device looks like the beginning of a new "vhost-pci" virtio device
> > type.  There are layering violations:
> > 
> > 1. This has nothing to do with virtio-net or networking, it's purely
> >    vhost-pci.  Why is it called vhost-pci-net instead of vhost-pci?
> > 
> > 2. VirtIODevice does not know about PCI.  It should work over virtio-ccw
> >    or virtio-mmio.  This patch talks about BARs inside a VirtIODevice so
> >    there is a problem here.
> 
> I think the point is how memory is exposed to another guest.  This
> device exposes it as a pci bar. I don't think e.g. ccw can do this,
> it's all hypercall-based.

Yes, that's why the BAR issue needs to be discussed.

In terms of the patches, the clean way to do it is for the
vhost-pci device to have a memory region that is not called "BAR".  The
virtio-pci transport can expose it as a BAR but the device doesn't need
to know about it.  Other transports that support memory mapping could
then work with this device too.

The VIRTIO specification needs to capture this transport requirement
somehow too so it's clear that the vhost device can only run over
transports that support memory mapping.

That said, it's not clear to me why the vhost-pci device is a VIRTIO
device.  It doesn't use virtqueues or the configuration space.  It only
uses the vhost-user chardev and the mapped memory.  Isn't it better to
make it a PCI device?

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-05 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-05  3:33 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/7] vhost-user: share the vhost-user protocol related structures Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:59   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 14:59     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:17       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:55     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2017-12-05 16:41         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 17:00           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2017-12-05 17:00             ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2017-12-05 18:06             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 18:06               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-06 10:17     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:17       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-06 12:01       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 12:01         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/7] virtio/virtio-pci.c: add vhost-pci-net-pci Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/7] vhost-pci-slave: add vhost-pci slave implementation Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 15:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:56     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:30     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:48     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 5/7] vhost-user: VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI msg Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:00   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:00     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:32     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:32       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:40         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/7] vhost-pci-slave: handle VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 7/7] virtio/vhost.c: vhost-pci needs remote gpa Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:05     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:46       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05  4:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication no-reply
2017-12-05  7:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:01   ` Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  7:15     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05  7:19     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:19       ` Jason Wang
2017-12-05  8:49       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-05  8:49         ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-05 10:36         ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 10:36           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 14:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:20   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 13:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-06 16:09     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-06 16:27     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  3:57       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  3:57         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07  5:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  5:11           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  5:34           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  5:34             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07  6:31         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  7:54           ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-07  7:54             ` [virtio-dev] " Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-07  8:04             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  8:31               ` Jason Wang
2017-12-07  8:31                 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2017-12-07 10:24                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 10:24                   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 13:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 13:33               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  9:02           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  9:02             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07 13:08             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 14:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 14:02                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 16:29                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 16:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 16:47                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 17:29                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 17:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 17:38                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 18:28                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 23:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 23:54                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08  6:08                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-08 14:27                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08 14:27                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08 16:15                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:08                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-09 16:08                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-08  6:43                             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-08  6:43                               ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-08  8:33                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:23                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-09 16:23                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-11 11:11                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-11 11:11                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-11 13:53                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-11 13:53                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-12 10:14                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-12 10:14                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13  8:11                                         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13  8:11                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:35                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 15:01                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 15:01                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 20:08                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 20:59                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 20:59                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 15:06                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 15:06                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 10:33                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:37                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 21:50                                                 ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-13 21:50                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 15:46                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 15:46                                                     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 16:27                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:27                                                       ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:39                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:39                                                         ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:40                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:40                                                           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:50                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:50                                                             ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 18:11                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:11                                                               ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14  5:53                                             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14  5:53                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14 17:32                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:32                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15  9:10                                                 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15  9:10                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:26                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:26                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:04                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:04                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 10:33                                                   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:00                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:00                                                     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:13   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 11:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 11:35   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 14:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-19 14:56     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-19 17:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-20  4:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-20  4:06         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-20  6:26         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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