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From: Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"Yang, Zhiyong" <zhiyong.yang@intel.com>,
	"jan.kiszka@siemens.com" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"avi.cohen@huawei.com" <avi.cohen@huawei.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"marcandre.lureau@redhat.com" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	snabb-devel@googlegroups.com, dgilbert@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31609e8a-8446-cc8c-dc3b-a72d37086358@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171214180830-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>



On 12/14/2017 05:27 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 03:46:56PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:50:11PM +0100, Maxime Coquelin wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2017 09:08 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:35:21PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not saying that DPDK should use libvhost-user.  I'm saying that it's
>>>>>> easy to add vfio vhost-pci support (for the PCI adapter I described) to
>>>>>> DPDK.  This patch series would require writing a completely new slave
>>>>>> for vhost-pci because the device interface is so different from
>>>>>> vhost-user.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main question is how appropriate is the vhost user protocol
>>>>> for passing to guests. And I am not sure at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone should go over vhost user messages and see whether they are safe
>>>>> to pass to guest. If most are then we can try the transparent approach.
>>>>> If most aren't then we can't and might as well use the proposed protocol
>>>>> which at least has code behind it.
>>>>
>>>> I have done that:
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>    * VHOST_USER_SET_MEM_TABLE
>>>>
>>>>      Set up BARs before sending a VHOST_USER_SET_MEM_TABLE to the guest.
>>>
>>> It would require to filter out userspace_addr from the payload not to
>>> leak other QEMU process VAs to the guest.
>>
>> QEMU's vhost-user master implementation is insecure because it leaks
>> QEMU process VAs.  This also affects vhost-user host processes, not just
>> vhost-pci.
>>
>> The QEMU vhost-user master could send an post-IOMMU guest physical
>> addresses whereever the vhost-user protocol specification says "user
>> address".  That way no address space information is leaked although it
>> does leak IOMMU mappings.
>>
>> If we want to hide the IOMMU mappings too then we need another logical
>> address space (kind a randomized ramaddr_t).
>>
>> Anyway, my point is that the current vhost-user master implementation is
>> insecure and should be fixed.  vhost-pci doesn't need to worry about
>> this issue.
>>
>> Stefan
> 
> I was going to make this point too.  It does not look like anyone uses
> userspace_addr. It might have been a mistake to put it there -
> maybe we should have reused it for map offset.
> 
> It does not look like anyone uses this for anything.
> 
> How about we put zero, or a copy of the GPA there?
> 
> 

It is used when no iommu for the ring addresses, and when iommu is used
for the IOTLB update messages.

Maxime

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From: Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"Yang, Zhiyong" <zhiyong.yang@intel.com>,
	"jan.kiszka@siemens.com" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"jasowang@redhat.com" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"avi.cohen@huawei.com" <avi.cohen@huawei.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"marcandre.lureau@redhat.com" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	snabb-devel@googlegroups.com, dgilbert@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31609e8a-8446-cc8c-dc3b-a72d37086358@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171214180830-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>



On 12/14/2017 05:27 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 03:46:56PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:50:11PM +0100, Maxime Coquelin wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2017 09:08 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:35:21PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not saying that DPDK should use libvhost-user.  I'm saying that it's
>>>>>> easy to add vfio vhost-pci support (for the PCI adapter I described) to
>>>>>> DPDK.  This patch series would require writing a completely new slave
>>>>>> for vhost-pci because the device interface is so different from
>>>>>> vhost-user.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main question is how appropriate is the vhost user protocol
>>>>> for passing to guests. And I am not sure at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone should go over vhost user messages and see whether they are safe
>>>>> to pass to guest. If most are then we can try the transparent approach.
>>>>> If most aren't then we can't and might as well use the proposed protocol
>>>>> which at least has code behind it.
>>>>
>>>> I have done that:
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>    * VHOST_USER_SET_MEM_TABLE
>>>>
>>>>      Set up BARs before sending a VHOST_USER_SET_MEM_TABLE to the guest.
>>>
>>> It would require to filter out userspace_addr from the payload not to
>>> leak other QEMU process VAs to the guest.
>>
>> QEMU's vhost-user master implementation is insecure because it leaks
>> QEMU process VAs.  This also affects vhost-user host processes, not just
>> vhost-pci.
>>
>> The QEMU vhost-user master could send an post-IOMMU guest physical
>> addresses whereever the vhost-user protocol specification says "user
>> address".  That way no address space information is leaked although it
>> does leak IOMMU mappings.
>>
>> If we want to hide the IOMMU mappings too then we need another logical
>> address space (kind a randomized ramaddr_t).
>>
>> Anyway, my point is that the current vhost-user master implementation is
>> insecure and should be fixed.  vhost-pci doesn't need to worry about
>> this issue.
>>
>> Stefan
> 
> I was going to make this point too.  It does not look like anyone uses
> userspace_addr. It might have been a mistake to put it there -
> maybe we should have reused it for map offset.
> 
> It does not look like anyone uses this for anything.
> 
> How about we put zero, or a copy of the GPA there?
> 
> 

It is used when no iommu for the ring addresses, and when iommu is used
for the IOTLB update messages.

Maxime

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Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-05  3:33 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/7] vhost-user: share the vhost-user protocol related structures Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:59   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 14:59     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:17       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:55     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:41       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:41         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 17:00           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2017-12-05 17:00             ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2017-12-05 18:06             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 18:06               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-06 10:17     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:17       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-06 12:01       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 12:01         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/7] virtio/virtio-pci.c: add vhost-pci-net-pci Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/7] vhost-pci-slave: add vhost-pci slave implementation Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 15:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:56     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:30     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:48     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 5/7] vhost-user: VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI msg Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:00   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:00     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:32     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:32       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:40         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/7] vhost-pci-slave: handle VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 7/7] virtio/vhost.c: vhost-pci needs remote gpa Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:05     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-06 10:46       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05  4:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication no-reply
2017-12-05  7:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:01   ` Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  7:15     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05  7:19     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:19       ` Jason Wang
2017-12-05  8:49       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-05  8:49         ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-05 10:36         ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05 10:36           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 14:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:20   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 13:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-06 16:09     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-06 16:27     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  3:57       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  3:57         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07  5:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  5:11           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  5:34           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  5:34             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07  6:31         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  7:54           ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-07  7:54             ` [virtio-dev] " Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-07  8:04             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  8:31               ` Jason Wang
2017-12-07  8:31                 ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2017-12-07 10:24                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 10:24                   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 13:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 13:33               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  9:02           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  9:02             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-07 13:08             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 14:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 14:02                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 16:29                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 16:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 16:47                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 17:29                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 17:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 17:38                         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 18:28                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 23:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 23:54                             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08  6:08                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-08 14:27                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08 14:27                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08 16:15                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:08                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-09 16:08                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-08  6:43                             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-08  6:43                               ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-08  8:33                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:23                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-09 16:23                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-11 11:11                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-11 11:11                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-11 13:53                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-11 13:53                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-12 10:14                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-12 10:14                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13  8:11                                         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13  8:11                                           ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:35                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 15:01                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 15:01                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 20:08                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 20:59                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 20:59                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 15:06                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 15:06                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 10:33                                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:37                                                         ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 21:50                                                 ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-13 21:50                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 15:46                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 15:46                                                     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 16:27                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:27                                                       ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:39                                                       ` Maxime Coquelin [this message]
2017-12-14 16:39                                                         ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:40                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:40                                                           ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:50                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:50                                                             ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 18:11                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:11                                                               ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14  5:53                                             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14  5:53                                               ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14 17:32                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:32                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15  9:10                                                 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15  9:10                                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:26                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:26                                                     ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:04                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:04                                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 10:33                                                   ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:00                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 12:00                                                     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:13   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 11:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 11:35   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 14:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-19 14:56     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-19 17:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-20  4:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-20  4:06         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-20  6:26         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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