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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"KarimAllah Ahmed" <karahmed@amazon.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Andi Kleen" <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Andrea Arcangeli" <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ashok Raj" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"Asit Mallick" <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Janakarajan Natarajan" <Janakarajan.Natarajan@amd.com>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"Jun Nakajima" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"Laura Abbott" <labbott@redhat.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:06:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180122120617.32jwptg6it32p4do@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180122095153.GB2228@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:51:53AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> That wouldn't be enough; AFAIU there's people with this stuff already
> flashed in their BIOS. So the kernel needs to deal with it one way or
> another.

Not a lot we can do there except maybe disable IBRS on those and users
can go and complain to their BIOS vendor to give them a downgrade or
they can downgrade themselves.

If we had free BIOS, this would've been a whole different story...

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
-- 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	KarimAllah Ahmed <karahmed@amazon.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	Asit Mallick <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Janakarajan Natarajan <Janakarajan.Natarajan@amd.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-founda
Subject: Re: [RFC 05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:06:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180122120617.32jwptg6it32p4do@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180122095153.GB2228@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:51:53AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> That wouldn't be enough; AFAIU there's people with this stuff already
> flashed in their BIOS. So the kernel needs to deal with it one way or
> another.

Not a lot we can do there except maybe disable IBRS on those and users
can go and complain to their BIOS vendor to give them a downgrade or
they can downgrade themselves.

If we had free BIOS, this would've been a whole different story...

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
-- 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-22 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 281+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-20 19:22 [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 01/10] x86/speculation: Add basic support for IBPB KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 02/10] x86/kvm: Add IBPB support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 20:18   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-20 20:18     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:56   ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-22 18:56     ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-22 19:31     ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-22 19:31       ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 03/10] x86/speculation: Use Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier in context switch KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 04/10] x86/mm: Only flush indirect branches when switching into non dumpable process KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 21:06   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-20 21:06     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:29     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-22 18:29       ` Tim Chen
2018-01-21 11:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-21 11:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-21 12:04     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 12:04       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 14:07       ` H.J. Lu
2018-01-21 14:07         ` H.J. Lu
2018-01-22 10:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 10:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 10:23         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-22 10:23           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 16:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21 16:21       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21 16:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-21 16:25         ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-21 22:20       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-21 22:20         ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-29  6:35     ` Jon Masters
2018-01-29  6:35       ` Jon Masters
2018-01-29 14:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-29 14:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 14:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-21 14:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-21 14:56     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 14:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22  9:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22  9:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 12:06         ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2018-01-22 12:06           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22 13:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-22 13:30             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-22 13:36             ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 13:37               ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-21 15:25     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 15:25       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 20:58     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 20:58       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 22:43       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2018-01-24  8:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24  8:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24  9:02         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  9:02           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  9:10           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24  9:10             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24 15:09             ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-24 15:09               ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-24 15:18               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 15:18                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  9:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24  9:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 10:49           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2018-01-24 10:49             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2018-01-24 12:30             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:30               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:14         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:14           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 12:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 12:58             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:58               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:14   ` [RFC,05/10] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:14     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:17     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:17       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:42       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:42         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:44         ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-29 20:44           ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-29 21:02           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 21:02             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 21:37             ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 21:37               ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 21:50               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 21:50                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:12                 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 22:12                   ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  1:22                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:22                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:25                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 22:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-30  1:37                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:37                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 21:37             ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 21:37               ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 21:44             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 21:44               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:10               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-29 22:10                 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-30  1:12                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:12                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  0:23             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30  0:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30  1:03               ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  1:03                 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  3:13                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-30  3:13                   ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-31 15:03                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-31 15:03                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-31 15:07                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 15:07                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30  1:32               ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30  1:32                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30  3:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30  3:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30 12:04                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 12:04                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 13:54                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30 13:54                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30  8:22               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30  8:22                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:35               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:56               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30 11:56                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30 12:11               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 12:11                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:46                 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 14:46                   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 14:52                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:52                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:56                     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 14:56                       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 15:33                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 15:33                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 20:46               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-30 20:46                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-31 10:05                 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 10:05                   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 10:15                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-31 10:15                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-31 11:04                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 11:04                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 11:52                       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 11:52                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 12:30                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 12:30                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 13:18                           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 13:18                             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 14:04                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 14:04                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 14:44                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 14:44                                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 16:28                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 16:28                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 11:07                     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 11:07                       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 15:00                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 15:00                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 15:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-31 15:11                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-31 10:03   ` [RFC 05/10] " Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 10:03     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 06/10] x86/speculation: Add inlines to control Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 07/10] x86: Simplify spectre_v2 command line parsing KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 08/10] x86/idle: Control Indirect Branch Speculation in idle KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:23   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 19:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-21 19:14     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-23 16:12     ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 16:12       ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 16:20       ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 16:20         ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 22:37         ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 22:37           ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 22:49           ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 22:49             ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:14             ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 23:14               ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 23:22               ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:22                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-24  0:47               ` Tim Chen
2018-01-24  0:47                 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-24  1:00                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-24  1:00                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-24  1:22                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  1:22                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24  1:59                   ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-24  1:59                     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-24  3:25                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-24  3:25                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-21 19:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 20:28     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 20:28       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 21:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 21:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 22:00         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 22:00           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 22:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 22:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22 16:27             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-22 16:27               ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23  7:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  7:29                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  7:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  7:53                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  9:27                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  9:27                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23  9:37                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23  9:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 15:01                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-23 15:01                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-23  9:30                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23  9:30                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:15                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:27                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:27                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:44                         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:57                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:23                       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:35                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-04 18:43                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-02-04 18:43                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-02-04 20:22                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-04 20:22                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-06  9:14                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-06  9:14                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 16:19                     ` Mason
2018-01-25 16:19                       ` Mason
2018-01-25 17:16                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-25 17:16                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-29 11:59                         ` Mason
2018-01-29 11:59                           ` Mason
2018-01-24  0:05                 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 20:16       ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-23 20:16         ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 10/10] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:23   ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 13:50   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-21 13:50     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-21 14:40     ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 14:40       ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 17:22     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-21 17:22       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-21 14:02 ` [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-21 14:02   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-22 21:27   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-22 21:27     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 22:29 [RFC,05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure David Dunn
2018-01-29 22:29 ` David Dunn
2018-01-29 22:41 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 22:41   ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 22:49   ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 22:49     ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30  1:10     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:10       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:20       ` David Dunn
2018-01-30  1:20         ` David Dunn
2018-01-30  1:30         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:30           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 23:51 ` Fred Jacobs
2018-01-29 23:51   ` Fred Jacobs
2018-01-30  1:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30  1:08   ` Eduardo Habkost

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