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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: robh@kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	mpe@ellerman.id.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, hch@infradead.org,
	joe@perches.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	elfring@users.sourceforge.net,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC V2] virtio: Add platform specific DMA API translation for virito devices
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 18:57:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180604085742.GQ4251__43090.7926908278$1528104093$gmane$org@umbus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f77638ddef3af52dd71341083707c9e3745dd505.camel@kernel.crashing.org>


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On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 08:27:04AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-05-23 at 21:50 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > I re-read that discussion and I'm still unclear on the
> > original question, since I got several apparently
> > conflicting answers.
> > 
> > I asked:
> > 
> > 	Why isn't setting VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM on the
> > 	hypervisor side sufficient?
> 
> I thought I had replied to this...
> 
> There are a couple of reasons:
> 
> - First qemu doesn't know that the guest will switch to "secure mode"
> in advance. There is no difference between a normal and a secure
> partition until the partition does the magic UV call to "enter secure
> mode" and qemu doesn't see any of it. So who can set the flag here ?

This seems weird to me.  As a rule HV calls should go through qemu -
or be allowed to go directly to KVM *by* qemu.  We generally reserve
the latter for hot path things.  Since this isn't a hot path, having
the call handled directly by the kernel seems wrong.

Unless a "UV call" is something different I don't know about.

> - Second, when using VIRTIO_F_IOMMU_PLATFORM, we also make qemu (or
> vhost) go through the emulated MMIO for every access to the guest,
> which adds additional overhead.
> 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-04  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-22  6:33 [RFC V2] virtio: Add platform specific DMA API translation for virito devices Anshuman Khandual
2018-05-23 18:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-23 18:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-23 22:27   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-23 22:27     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-24  7:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-24  7:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-25 17:45     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-28 23:48       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-28 23:48         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-28 23:56         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-28 23:56           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-29 14:03           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-29 14:03           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-29 22:13             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-29 22:13               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-25 17:45     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04  8:57     ` David Gibson [this message]
2018-06-04  8:57     ` David Gibson
2018-06-04  9:48       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04  9:48         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 12:50         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:50         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05  1:52         ` David Gibson
2018-06-05  1:52         ` David Gibson
2018-06-04 12:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-04 13:14         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 13:14           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 16:34           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 16:34           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-04 13:11       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 13:11         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 16:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 23:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-04 23:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-05  1:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05  1:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05  4:52             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-05  4:52             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-04 16:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-24  7:21   ` Ram Pai
2018-05-31  3:39     ` Anshuman Khandual
2018-05-31 17:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-31 17:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-07  5:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-07 16:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-08  6:36             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-08  6:36             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 13:49               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 13:49                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11  2:39             ` Ram Pai
2018-06-11  3:28               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11  3:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11  3:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-11  3:34                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13 14:23                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 14:23                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11  3:29               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-11  3:29                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13  7:41                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13  7:41                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 12:25                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13 12:25                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13 13:11                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13 13:11                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-15  9:16                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-15  9:16                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-16  1:07                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-16  1:07                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-06-13 13:59                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 13:59                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 14:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 14:03                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-07 16:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-07  5:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-31  3:39     ` Anshuman Khandual
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2018-05-22  6:33 Anshuman Khandual

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