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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@bootlin.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Przemyslaw Sroka <psroka@cadence.com>,
	Arkadiusz Golec <agolec@cadence.com>,
	Alan Douglas <adouglas@cadence.com>,
	Bartosz Folta <bfolta@cadence.com>, Damian Kos <dkos@cadence.com>,
	Alicja Jurasik-Urbaniak <alicja@cadence.com>,
	Cyprian Wronka <cwronka@cadence.com>,
	Suresh Punnoose <sureshp@cadence.com>,
	Rafal Ciepiela <rafalc@cadence.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.or>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/10] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:24:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180712122420.7c3ebd4e@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a3raE9rmyvgxR0YVmYSCN4tumYS1TCexCuTEUXjy_9kSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:03:05 +0200
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> >> want to be in b) rather than c). An example of this would be
> >> an input device on a PC: If the user operateds the keyboard
> >> or pointer and we have handed off ownership to a sensor hub,
> >> we never get an input event, right?  
> >
> > Correct. I guess we could try to regain bus ownership in case we have
> > IBIs enabled. Or we let the secondary master give the bus back to us
> > when it sees IBIs it can't handle, as described in section 5.1.7:
> >
> > "
> > Once granted control of the Bus, the Secondary Master maintains
> > control until another Master is granted Bus control. After the
> > Secondary Master transitions to the Current Master role it could
> > encounter Bus management activities besides the data transfers that it
> > itself initiates. Some examples are the In-Band Interrupt, or the
> > Hot-Join request. One optional possibility, shown at Section 5.1.7.2,
> > is that the Secondary Master performs the Current Master’s actions with
> > the full capabilities of the Main Master. Another optional possibility
> > is that the Secondary Master, while serving in the Current Master role,
> > could defer some actions to a more capable Master, as described in
> > Section 5.1.7.3.
> > "  
> 
> Ah, so the current master can ask a secondary master to take over
> again even if  the secondary master has not requested to be come the
> current master?

Yes. Then the inactive master can refuse of course, but it is working
both ways:

- an inactive master can ask for bus ownership
- an active master can ask an inactive one to take over

> 
> >> > I agree. This being said, moving to a representation where the bus is
> >> > implicitly represented by the master_controller instance shouldn't be
> >> > too difficult. So, if you think we should try this approach I can do
> >> > the modifications in my v6.  
> >>
> >> I'd say let's wait before you do that change, possibly add a comment
> >> in there now to remind us of what an alternative would be.  
> >
> > You mean I should keep the i3c_bus object?  
> 
> I mean the ongoing discussion shouldn't stop you from posting a v6.

Ok.

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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@bootlin.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Przemyslaw Sroka <psroka@cadence.com>,
	Arkadiusz Golec <agolec@cadence.com>,
	Alan Douglas <adouglas@cadence.com>,
	Bartosz Folta <bfolta@cadence.com>, Damian Kos <dkos@cadence.com>,
	Alicja Jurasik-Urbaniak <alicja@cadence.com>,
	Cyprian Wronka <cwronka@cadence.com>,
	Suresh Punnoose <sureshp@cadence.com>,
	Rafal Ciepiela <rafalc@cadence.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	DTML <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vitor Soares <Vitor.Soares@synopsys.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Xiang Lin <Xiang.Lin@synaptics.com>,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/10] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:24:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180712122420.7c3ebd4e@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a3raE9rmyvgxR0YVmYSCN4tumYS1TCexCuTEUXjy_9kSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:03:05 +0200
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> >> want to be in b) rather than c). An example of this would be
> >> an input device on a PC: If the user operateds the keyboard
> >> or pointer and we have handed off ownership to a sensor hub,
> >> we never get an input event, right?  
> >
> > Correct. I guess we could try to regain bus ownership in case we have
> > IBIs enabled. Or we let the secondary master give the bus back to us
> > when it sees IBIs it can't handle, as described in section 5.1.7:
> >
> > "
> > Once granted control of the Bus, the Secondary Master maintains
> > control until another Master is granted Bus control. After the
> > Secondary Master transitions to the Current Master role it could
> > encounter Bus management activities besides the data transfers that it
> > itself initiates. Some examples are the In-Band Interrupt, or the
> > Hot-Join request. One optional possibility, shown at Section 5.1.7.2,
> > is that the Secondary Master performs the Current Master’s actions with
> > the full capabilities of the Main Master. Another optional possibility
> > is that the Secondary Master, while serving in the Current Master role,
> > could defer some actions to a more capable Master, as described in
> > Section 5.1.7.3.
> > "  
> 
> Ah, so the current master can ask a secondary master to take over
> again even if  the secondary master has not requested to be come the
> current master?

Yes. Then the inactive master can refuse of course, but it is working
both ways:

- an inactive master can ask for bus ownership
- an active master can ask an inactive one to take over

> 
> >> > I agree. This being said, moving to a representation where the bus is
> >> > implicitly represented by the master_controller instance shouldn't be
> >> > too difficult. So, if you think we should try this approach I can do
> >> > the modifications in my v6.  
> >>
> >> I'd say let's wait before you do that change, possibly add a comment
> >> in there now to remind us of what an alternative would be.  
> >
> > You mean I should keep the i3c_bus object?  
> 
> I mean the ongoing discussion shouldn't stop you from posting a v6.

Ok.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@bootlin.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Przemyslaw Sroka <psroka@cadence.com>,
	Arkadiusz Golec <agolec@cadence.com>,
	Alan Douglas <adouglas@cadence.com>,
	Bartosz Folta <bfolta@cadence.com>, Damian Kos <dkos@cadence.com>,
	Alicja Jurasik-Urbaniak <alicja@cadence.com>,
	Cyprian Wronka <cwronka@cadence.com>,
	Suresh Punnoose <sureshp@cadence.com>,
	Rafal Ciepiela <rafalc@cadence.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	DTML <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vitor Soares <Vitor.Soares@synopsys.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Xiang Lin <Xiang.Lin@synaptics.com>,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/10] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:24:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180712122420.7c3ebd4e@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a3raE9rmyvgxR0YVmYSCN4tumYS1TCexCuTEUXjy_9kSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:03:05 +0200
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:

> >> want to be in b) rather than c). An example of this would be
> >> an input device on a PC: If the user operateds the keyboard
> >> or pointer and we have handed off ownership to a sensor hub,
> >> we never get an input event, right?  
> >
> > Correct. I guess we could try to regain bus ownership in case we have
> > IBIs enabled. Or we let the secondary master give the bus back to us
> > when it sees IBIs it can't handle, as described in section 5.1.7:
> >
> > "
> > Once granted control of the Bus, the Secondary Master maintains
> > control until another Master is granted Bus control. After the
> > Secondary Master transitions to the Current Master role it could
> > encounter Bus management activities besides the data transfers that it
> > itself initiates. Some examples are the In-Band Interrupt, or the
> > Hot-Join request. One optional possibility, shown at Section 5.1.7.2,
> > is that the Secondary Master performs the Current Master’s actions with
> > the full capabilities of the Main Master. Another optional possibility
> > is that the Secondary Master, while serving in the Current Master role,
> > could defer some actions to a more capable Master, as described in
> > Section 5.1.7.3.
> > "  
> 
> Ah, so the current master can ask a secondary master to take over
> again even if  the secondary master has not requested to be come the
> current master?

Yes. Then the inactive master can refuse of course, but it is working
both ways:

- an inactive master can ask for bus ownership
- an active master can ask an inactive one to take over

> 
> >> > I agree. This being said, moving to a representation where the bus is
> >> > implicitly represented by the master_controller instance shouldn't be
> >> > too difficult. So, if you think we should try this approach I can do
> >> > the modifications in my v6.  
> >>
> >> I'd say let's wait before you do that change, possibly add a comment
> >> in there now to remind us of what an alternative would be.  
> >
> > You mean I should keep the i3c_bus object?  
> 
> I mean the ongoing discussion shouldn't stop you from posting a v6.

Ok.
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-12 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-30  7:47 [PATCH v4 00/10] Add the I3C subsystem Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] i3c: Add core I3C infrastructure Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04  9:11   ` Przemyslaw Gaj
2018-06-04  9:11     ` Przemyslaw Gaj
2018-06-04  9:11     ` Przemyslaw Gaj
2018-06-04 11:24     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04 11:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04 11:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-14  4:19   ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-14  4:19     ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-14  7:07     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-14  7:07       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-14  7:07       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-14  8:15       ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-14  8:15         ` Wolfram Sang
2018-06-20 11:37   ` Sekhar Nori
2018-06-20 11:37     ` Sekhar Nori
2018-06-20 11:37     ` Sekhar Nori
2018-06-20 12:47     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-20 12:47       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-20 12:47       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 14:01   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 14:01     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 14:01     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 14:41     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 14:41       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 14:41       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 15:03       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 15:03         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 15:03         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 15:39       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 15:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 15:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 17:12         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 17:12           ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 17:12           ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 18:35           ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-11 20:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 20:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 20:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-11 22:09             ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 22:09               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-11 22:09               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:21               ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:46                 ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:46                   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:46                   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12 10:03                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12 10:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12 10:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12 10:24                     ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2018-07-12 10:24                       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12 10:24                       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  4:41           ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-12  4:41             ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-12  4:41             ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-12  8:04             ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:04               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:04               ` Boris Brezillon
2018-07-12  8:08             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:08               ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:08               ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-07-12  8:44               ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-12  8:44                 ` Peter Rosin
2018-07-12  8:44                 ` Peter Rosin
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] docs: driver-api: Add I3C documentation Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] i3c: Add sysfs ABI spec Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-29 13:37   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-29 13:37     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-29 13:37     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-30  9:10     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-30  9:10       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-30  9:10       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-02  9:47     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02  9:47       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02  9:47       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 11:10       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-02 11:10         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-02 11:10         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-02 11:32         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 11:32           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-05-02 11:32           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] dt-bindings: i3c: Document core bindings Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:55   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-30  7:55     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-30  7:55     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-30  7:59     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:59       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:59       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-09 20:24   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:24     ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:24     ` Rob Herring
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] dt-bindings: i3c: Add macros to help fill I3C/I2C device's reg property Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] MAINTAINERS: Add myself as the I3C subsystem maintainer Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] i3c: master: Add driver for Cadence IP Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04  9:24   ` Przemyslaw Gaj
2018-06-04  9:24     ` Przemyslaw Gaj
2018-06-04 11:26     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04 11:26       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-04 11:26       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] dt-bindings: i3c: Document Cadence I3C master bindings Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-09 20:25   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:25     ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:25     ` Rob Herring
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] gpio: Add a driver for Cadence I3C GPIO expander Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-26  8:44   ` Linus Walleij
2018-04-26  8:44     ` Linus Walleij
2018-04-26  8:44     ` Linus Walleij
2018-06-22  8:24     ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-22  8:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-06-22  8:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] dt-bindings: gpio: Add bindings for Cadence I3C gpio expander Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-03-30  7:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-09 20:26   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:26     ` Rob Herring
2018-04-09 20:26     ` Rob Herring
2018-04-23 17:38 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Add the I3C subsystem Boris Brezillon
2018-04-23 17:38   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-23 17:38   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-23 17:56   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-23 17:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-23 17:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-29 13:36     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-29 13:36       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-29 13:36       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-30  9:37       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-30  9:37         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-04-30  9:37         ` Boris Brezillon

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