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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
Cc: pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, jglisse@redhat.com,
	rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:09:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180927110926.GE6278@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6f87a5d7-05e2-00f4-8568-bb3521869cea@linux.intel.com>

On Wed 26-09-18 11:25:37, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/26/2018 12:55 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Tue 25-09-18 13:21:24, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > The ZONE_DEVICE pages were being initialized in two locations. One was with
> > > the memory_hotplug lock held and another was outside of that lock. The
> > > problem with this is that it was nearly doubling the memory initialization
> > > time. Instead of doing this twice, once while holding a global lock and
> > > once without, I am opting to defer the initialization to the one outside of
> > > the lock. This allows us to avoid serializing the overhead for memory init
> > > and we can instead focus on per-node init times.
> > > 
> > > One issue I encountered is that devm_memremap_pages and
> > > hmm_devmmem_pages_create were initializing only the pgmap field the same
> > > way. One wasn't initializing hmm_data, and the other was initializing it to
> > > a poison value. Since this is something that is exposed to the driver in
> > > the case of hmm I am opting for a third option and just initializing
> > > hmm_data to 0 since this is going to be exposed to unknown third party
> > > drivers.
> > 
> > Why cannot you pull move_pfn_range_to_zone out of the hotplug lock? In
> > other words why are you making zone device even more special in the
> > generic hotplug code when it already has its own means to initialize the
> > pfn range by calling move_pfn_range_to_zone. Not to mention the code
> > duplication.
> 
> So there were a few things I wasn't sure we could pull outside of the
> hotplug lock. One specific example is the bits related to resizing the pgdat
> and zone. I wanted to avoid pulling those bits outside of the hotplug lock.

Why would that be a problem. There are dedicated locks for resizing.

> The other bit that I left inside the hot-plug lock with this approach was
> the initialization of the pages that contain the vmemmap.

Again, why this is needed?

> > That being said I really dislike this patch.
> 
> In my mind this was a patch that "killed two birds with one stone". I had
> two issues to address, the first one being the fact that we were performing
> the memmap_init_zone while holding the hotplug lock, and the other being the
> loop that was going through and initializing pgmap in the hmm and memremap
> calls essentially added another 20 seconds (measured for 3TB of memory per
> node) to the init time. With this patch I was able to cut my init time per
> node by that 20 seconds, and then made it so that we could scale as we added
> nodes as they could run in parallel.
> 
> With that said I am open to suggestions if you still feel like I need to
> follow this up with some additional work. I just want to avoid introducing
> any regressions in regards to functionality or performance.

Yes, I really do prefer this to be done properly rather than tweak it
around because of uncertainties.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	pavel.tatashin@microsoft.com, dave.jiang@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, jglisse@redhat.com,
	rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	logang@deltatee.com, mingo@kernel.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:09:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180927110926.GE6278@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6f87a5d7-05e2-00f4-8568-bb3521869cea@linux.intel.com>

On Wed 26-09-18 11:25:37, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/26/2018 12:55 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Tue 25-09-18 13:21:24, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > The ZONE_DEVICE pages were being initialized in two locations. One was with
> > > the memory_hotplug lock held and another was outside of that lock. The
> > > problem with this is that it was nearly doubling the memory initialization
> > > time. Instead of doing this twice, once while holding a global lock and
> > > once without, I am opting to defer the initialization to the one outside of
> > > the lock. This allows us to avoid serializing the overhead for memory init
> > > and we can instead focus on per-node init times.
> > > 
> > > One issue I encountered is that devm_memremap_pages and
> > > hmm_devmmem_pages_create were initializing only the pgmap field the same
> > > way. One wasn't initializing hmm_data, and the other was initializing it to
> > > a poison value. Since this is something that is exposed to the driver in
> > > the case of hmm I am opting for a third option and just initializing
> > > hmm_data to 0 since this is going to be exposed to unknown third party
> > > drivers.
> > 
> > Why cannot you pull move_pfn_range_to_zone out of the hotplug lock? In
> > other words why are you making zone device even more special in the
> > generic hotplug code when it already has its own means to initialize the
> > pfn range by calling move_pfn_range_to_zone. Not to mention the code
> > duplication.
> 
> So there were a few things I wasn't sure we could pull outside of the
> hotplug lock. One specific example is the bits related to resizing the pgdat
> and zone. I wanted to avoid pulling those bits outside of the hotplug lock.

Why would that be a problem. There are dedicated locks for resizing.

> The other bit that I left inside the hot-plug lock with this approach was
> the initialization of the pages that contain the vmemmap.

Again, why this is needed?

> > That being said I really dislike this patch.
> 
> In my mind this was a patch that "killed two birds with one stone". I had
> two issues to address, the first one being the fact that we were performing
> the memmap_init_zone while holding the hotplug lock, and the other being the
> loop that was going through and initializing pgmap in the hmm and memremap
> calls essentially added another 20 seconds (measured for 3TB of memory per
> node) to the init time. With this patch I was able to cut my init time per
> node by that 20 seconds, and then made it so that we could scale as we added
> nodes as they could run in parallel.
> 
> With that said I am open to suggestions if you still feel like I need to
> follow this up with some additional work. I just want to avoid introducing
> any regressions in regards to functionality or performance.

Yes, I really do prefer this to be done properly rather than tweak it
around because of uncertainties.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-27 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-25 20:18 [PATCH v5 0/4] Address issues slowing persistent memory initialization Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:18 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:19 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] mm: Remove now defunct NO_BOOTMEM from depends list for deferred init Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:19   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 21:05   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-09-25 21:05     ` Mike Rapoport
2018-09-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] mm: Provide kernel parameter to allow disabling page init poisoning Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:20   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:26   ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 20:26     ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 20:38     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:38       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:14       ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:14         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:14         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-25 22:27         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 22:27           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26  7:38   ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26  7:38     ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:24     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 15:39       ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:39         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 15:41       ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 15:41         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 16:18         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 15:36     ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 22:36       ` Andrew Morton
2018-09-26 22:36         ` Andrew Morton
2018-09-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] mm: Create non-atomic version of SetPageReserved for init use Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:20   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:21 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap Alexander Duyck
2018-09-25 20:21   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26  7:55   ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-26 18:25     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 18:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-09-26 18:52       ` Dan Williams
2018-09-26 18:52         ` Dan Williams
2018-09-27 11:20         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 11:20           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 11:09       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-09-27 11:09         ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 12:25         ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 13:13           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-27 14:50             ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 14:50               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 14:50               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-27 15:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2018-09-27 15:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-09-28  8:12             ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:12               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:44               ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28  8:44                 ` Oscar Salvador
2018-09-28 15:50                 ` Dan Williams
2018-09-28 15:50                   ` Dan Williams
2018-09-27 12:32       ` Oscar Salvador
2018-10-08 21:01   ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 21:01     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 21:38     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 21:38       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:00       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:00         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:00         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 22:07         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:07           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:36         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:36           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 22:59           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-08 23:34     ` [mm PATCH] memremap: Fix reference count for pgmap in devm_memremap_pages Alexander Duyck
2018-10-08 23:34       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09  0:20       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09  0:20         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 17:00   ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mm: Defer ZONE_DEVICE page initialization to the point where we init pgmap Yi Zhang
2018-10-09 17:00     ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-09 18:04     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 18:04       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 20:26       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09 20:26         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-09 21:19         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-09 21:19           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-10 12:52           ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10 12:52             ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10 15:27             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 15:27               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11  8:17               ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-11  8:17                 ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-10  9:58         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 16:39           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 16:39             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:24             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:24               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:39               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:39                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 17:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 17:53                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:13                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 18:13                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-10 18:52                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:52                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11  8:55                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11  8:55                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-11 17:38                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11 18:22                       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-11 18:22                         ` Dan Williams
2018-10-17  7:52                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-17  7:52                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-17 15:02                         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-17 15:02                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 14:12                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 14:12                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 15:59                             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 15:59                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 15:59                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 16:35                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 16:35                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:01                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 17:24                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:24                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:34                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 17:34                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 17:45                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:45                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 17:42                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 17:42                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 18:18                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 18:18                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-29 19:59                                         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-29 19:59                                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-30  6:29                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  6:29                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  6:55                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-10-30  8:17                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30  8:17                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-30 15:57                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-10-30  8:05                                           ` Oscar Salvador
2018-10-29 15:49                           ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 15:49                             ` Dan Williams
2018-10-29 15:56                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 18:18               ` Dan Williams
2018-10-10 18:18                 ` Dan Williams
2018-10-11  8:39                 ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-11  8:39                   ` Yi Zhang
2018-10-11 15:38                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-10-11 15:38                     ` Alexander Duyck

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