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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	"mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
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	"paulus@samba.org" <paulus@samba.org>,
	"mpe@ellerman.id.au" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"benh@kernel.crashing.org" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] lib: Introduce generic __cmpxchg_u64() and use it where needed
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:45:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181101214529.GB3339@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+aC45BtS88DXarn3A+LV2RRRsPQoSs_3_DnKjU4O3AMHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> If there is a warning that we don't want to see at all, then we can
> disable it. It supposed to be a useful tool, rather than a thing in
> itself that lives own life. We already I think removed 1 particularly
> noisy warning and made another optional via a config.

> But the thing with overflows is that, even if it's defined, it's not
> necessary the intended behavior. For example, take allocation size
> calculation done via unsigned size_t. If it overflows it does not help
> if C defines result or not, it still gives a user controlled write
> primitive. We've seen similar cases with timeout/deadline calculation
> in kernel, we really don't want it to just wrap modulo-2, right. Some
> user-space projects even test with unsigned overflow warnings or
> implicit truncation warnings, which are formally legal, but frequently
> bugs.

Sure; but then don't call it UB.

If we want to have an additional integer over/underflow checker (ideally
with a gcc plugin that has explicit annotations like __wrap to make it
go away) that is fine; and it can be done on unsigned and signed.



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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	"mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ralf@linux-mips.org" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	"jlayton@kernel.org" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"linux-mips@linux-mips.org" <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>,
	"linux@roeck-us.net" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"boqun.feng@gmail.com" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"paul.burton@mips.com" <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	"anna.schumaker@netapp.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] lib: Introduce generic __cmpxchg_u64() and use it where needed
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:45:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181101214529.GB3339@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+aC45BtS88DXarn3A+LV2RRRsPQoSs_3_DnKjU4O3AMHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> If there is a warning that we don't want to see at all, then we can
> disable it. It supposed to be a useful tool, rather than a thing in
> itself that lives own life. We already I think removed 1 particularly
> noisy warning and made another optional via a config.

> But the thing with overflows is that, even if it's defined, it's not
> necessary the intended behavior. For example, take allocation size
> calculation done via unsigned size_t. If it overflows it does not help
> if C defines result or not, it still gives a user controlled write
> primitive. We've seen similar cases with timeout/deadline calculation
> in kernel, we really don't want it to just wrap modulo-2, right. Some
> user-space projects even test with unsigned overflow warnings or
> implicit truncation warnings, which are formally legal, but frequently
> bugs.

Sure; but then don't call it UB.

If we want to have an additional integer over/underflow checker (ideally
with a gcc plugin that has explicit annotations like __wrap to make it
go away) that is fine; and it can be done on unsigned and signed.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Cc: "mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"linux-mips@linux-mips.org" <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>,
	"jhogan@kernel.org" <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"paulus@samba.org" <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@virtuozzo.com>,
	"linux@roeck-us.net" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"boqun.feng@gmail.com" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"jlayton@kernel.org" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ralf@linux-mips.org" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	"anna.schumaker@netapp.com" <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>,
	"paul.burton@mips.com" <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] lib: Introduce generic __cmpxchg_u64() and use it where needed
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:45:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181101214529.GB3339@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+aC45BtS88DXarn3A+LV2RRRsPQoSs_3_DnKjU4O3AMHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> If there is a warning that we don't want to see at all, then we can
> disable it. It supposed to be a useful tool, rather than a thing in
> itself that lives own life. We already I think removed 1 particularly
> noisy warning and made another optional via a config.

> But the thing with overflows is that, even if it's defined, it's not
> necessary the intended behavior. For example, take allocation size
> calculation done via unsigned size_t. If it overflows it does not help
> if C defines result or not, it still gives a user controlled write
> primitive. We've seen similar cases with timeout/deadline calculation
> in kernel, we really don't want it to just wrap modulo-2, right. Some
> user-space projects even test with unsigned overflow warnings or
> implicit truncation warnings, which are formally legal, but frequently
> bugs.

Sure; but then don't call it UB.

If we want to have an additional integer over/underflow checker (ideally
with a gcc plugin that has explicit annotations like __wrap to make it
go away) that is fine; and it can be done on unsigned and signed.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-01 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-31 19:52 [RFC PATCH] lib: Introduce generic __cmpxchg_u64() and use it where needed Guenter Roeck
2018-10-31 19:52 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-31 21:32 ` Paul Burton
2018-10-31 21:32   ` Paul Burton
2018-10-31 22:02   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-31 22:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-31 23:32     ` Paul Burton
2018-10-31 23:32       ` Paul Burton
2018-11-01  0:17       ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01  0:17         ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01  0:17         ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 13:18         ` Mark Rutland
2018-11-01 13:18           ` Mark Rutland
2018-11-01 13:18           ` Mark Rutland
2018-11-01 14:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 14:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 14:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 15:22             ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 15:22               ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 15:22               ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 16:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 16:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 16:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 16:59                 ` Eric Dumazet
2018-11-01 16:59                   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-11-01 16:59                   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-11-01 17:14                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:27                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:27                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 20:29                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 20:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 20:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 21:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 21:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 22:26                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 22:26                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 22:26                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:43                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:43                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:43                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:01                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:34                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:34                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:34                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 17:46                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-11-01 17:46                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-11-01 17:46                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-11-01 21:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-11-01 21:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 21:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-02 10:56                   ` David Laight
2018-11-02 10:56                     ` David Laight
2018-11-02 10:56                     ` David Laight
2018-11-02 12:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-02 12:23                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-02 12:23                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-02 13:38                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:38                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:38                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:37                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:37                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:37                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 16:19                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-11-02 16:19                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-11-02 16:19                   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-11-05 10:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-05 10:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-05 10:38                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-05 14:24                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-05 14:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-05 14:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-11-01 17:51             ` [PATCH] SUNRPC: Use atomic(64)_t for seq_send(64) Paul Burton
2018-11-01 17:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 17:54         ` [RFC PATCH] lib: Introduce generic __cmpxchg_u64() and use it where needed Paul Burton
2018-11-01 17:54           ` Paul Burton
2018-11-01 17:54           ` Paul Burton
2018-11-01 17:54           ` Paul Burton
2018-11-01  1:18       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-01  1:18         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-01  6:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01  6:30           ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01  6:30           ` Trond Myklebust
2018-11-01 15:28           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-01 15:28             ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-01 15:28             ` Guenter Roeck

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