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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	"Tobin C . Harding" <me@tobin.cc>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Russell Currey <ruscur@russell.cc>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@ozlabs.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vsprintf: Do not break early boot with probing addresses
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:06:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190510080602.mdfk54f6lpyg6unw@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190510050709.GA1831@jagdpanzerIV>

On Fri 2019-05-10 14:07:09, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (05/09/19 21:47), Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >    [ Sorry about html and mobile crud, I'm not at the computer right now ]
> >    How about we just undo the whole misguided probe_kernel_address() thing?
> 
> But the problem will remain - %pS/%pF on PPC (and some other arch-s)
> do dereference_function_descriptor(), which calls probe_kernel_address().
> So if probe_kernel_address() starts to dump_stack(), then we are heading
> towards stack overflow. Unless I'm totally missing something.

That is true. On the other hand, %pS/%pF uses
dereference_function_descriptor() only on three architectures.
And these modifiers are used only rarely (ok, in dump_stack()
but still).

On the other hand, any infinite loop in vsprintf() via
probe_kernel_address() would break any printk(). And would be
hard to debug.

I tend to agree with Linus. probe_kernel_address() is too complicated.
It is prone to these infinite loops and should not be used in
the default printk() path.

It would be nice to have a lightweight and safe alternative. But
I can't find any. And I think that it is not worth any huge
complexity. It was just a nice to have idea...


I am going to send a patch replacing probe_kernel_address() with
a simple check:

	if ((unsigned long)ptr < PAGE_SIZE || IS_ERR_VALUE(ptr))
		return "(efault)";

The original patch still makes sense because it adds the check
into more locations and replaces some custom variants.

Best Regards,
Petr

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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@ozlabs.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	"Tobin C . Harding" <me@tobin.cc>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vsprintf: Do not break early boot with probing addresses
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:06:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190510080602.mdfk54f6lpyg6unw@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190510050709.GA1831@jagdpanzerIV>

On Fri 2019-05-10 14:07:09, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (05/09/19 21:47), Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >    [ Sorry about html and mobile crud, I'm not at the computer right now ]
> >    How about we just undo the whole misguided probe_kernel_address() thing?
> 
> But the problem will remain - %pS/%pF on PPC (and some other arch-s)
> do dereference_function_descriptor(), which calls probe_kernel_address().
> So if probe_kernel_address() starts to dump_stack(), then we are heading
> towards stack overflow. Unless I'm totally missing something.

That is true. On the other hand, %pS/%pF uses
dereference_function_descriptor() only on three architectures.
And these modifiers are used only rarely (ok, in dump_stack()
but still).

On the other hand, any infinite loop in vsprintf() via
probe_kernel_address() would break any printk(). And would be
hard to debug.

I tend to agree with Linus. probe_kernel_address() is too complicated.
It is prone to these infinite loops and should not be used in
the default printk() path.

It would be nice to have a lightweight and safe alternative. But
I can't find any. And I think that it is not worth any huge
complexity. It was just a nice to have idea...


I am going to send a patch replacing probe_kernel_address() with
a simple check:

	if ((unsigned long)ptr < PAGE_SIZE || IS_ERR_VALUE(ptr))
		return "(efault)";

The original patch still makes sense because it adds the check
into more locations and replaces some custom variants.

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-10  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-09 12:19 [PATCH] vsprintf: Do not break early boot with probing addresses Petr Mladek
2019-05-09 12:19 ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-09 13:05 ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-09 13:05   ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-09 13:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-09 13:13   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-09 14:06   ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-09 14:06     ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-09 13:38 ` Michal Suchánek
2019-05-09 13:38   ` Michal Suchánek
2019-05-09 13:46   ` David Laight
2019-05-09 13:46     ` David Laight
2019-05-10 10:21     ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10 10:21       ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10 10:21       ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10  4:32 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  4:32   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  4:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-10  5:07     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  5:07       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  6:41       ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10  6:41         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10  6:41         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10  6:41         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-05-10  8:06       ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2019-05-10  8:06         ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10  8:16         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  8:16           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  8:42           ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10  8:42             ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10  8:51             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  8:51               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10 14:49             ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10 14:49               ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10 16:24             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-10 16:24               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-10 16:32               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2019-05-10 16:32                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2019-05-10 16:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-10 16:40                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-10 16:45                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2019-05-10 16:45                     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2019-05-13 12:24                   ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-13 12:24                     ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10 16:41               ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-10 16:41                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-10 17:35               ` christophe leroy
2019-05-10 17:35                 ` christophe leroy
2019-05-13  8:52                 ` David Laight
2019-05-13  8:52                   ` David Laight
2019-05-13  9:13                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-13  9:13                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-13  9:13                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2019-05-13 12:42                     ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-13 12:42                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-13 12:42                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-13 14:15                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-13 14:15                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-13 14:15                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14  2:07                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  2:07                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  2:07                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  2:25                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  2:25                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  2:25                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-14  8:28                         ` David Laight
2019-05-14  8:28                           ` David Laight
2019-05-14  8:28                           ` David Laight
2019-05-14  9:02                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14  9:02                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14  9:02                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14 18:37                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14 18:37                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14 18:37                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14 19:13                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14 19:13                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14 19:13                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-14 19:35                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14 19:35                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-14 19:35                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-15  7:23                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-15  7:23                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-15  7:23                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-05-15  7:53                                     ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  7:53                                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  7:53                                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  6:21                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-15  6:21                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-15  6:21                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-15  7:35                               ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  7:35                                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  7:35                                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-15  9:00                                 ` David Laight
2019-05-15  9:00                                   ` David Laight
2019-05-15  9:00                                   ` David Laight

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