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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	will@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, "Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	ying.huang@intel.com, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:47:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190910144713.GF2063@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgT0Udr6nYQFTRzxLbXk41SiJ-pcT_bmN1j1YR4deCwdTOaUQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 10-09-19 07:42:43, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:42 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to review "mm: Introduce Reported pages" just realize that I
> > have no clue on what is going on so returned to the cover and it didn't
> > really help much. I am completely unfamiliar with virtio so please bear
> > with me.
> >
> > On Sat 07-09-19 10:25:03, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > [...]
> > > This series provides an asynchronous means of reporting to a hypervisor
> > > that a guest page is no longer in use and can have the data associated
> > > with it dropped. To do this I have implemented functionality that allows
> > > for what I am referring to as unused page reporting
> > >
> > > The functionality for this is fairly simple. When enabled it will allocate
> > > statistics to track the number of reported pages in a given free area.
> > > When the number of free pages exceeds this value plus a high water value,
> > > currently 32, it will begin performing page reporting which consists of
> > > pulling pages off of free list and placing them into a scatter list. The
> > > scatterlist is then given to the page reporting device and it will perform
> > > the required action to make the pages "reported", in the case of
> > > virtio-balloon this results in the pages being madvised as MADV_DONTNEED
> > > and as such they are forced out of the guest. After this they are placed
> > > back on the free list,
> >
> > And here I am reallly lost because "forced out of the guest" makes me
> > feel that those pages are no longer usable by the guest. So how come you
> > can add them back to the free list. I suspect understanding this part
> > will allow me to understand why we have to mark those pages and prevent
> > merging.
> 
> Basically as the paragraph above mentions "forced out of the guest"
> really is just the hypervisor calling MADV_DONTNEED on the page in
> question. So the behavior is the same as any userspace application
> that calls MADV_DONTNEED where the contents are no longer accessible
> from userspace and attempting to access them will result in a fault
> and the page being populated with a zero fill on-demand page, or a
> copy of the file contents if the memory is file backed.

As I've said I have no idea about virt so this doesn't really tell me
much. Does that mean that if somebody allocates such a page and tries to
access it then virt will handle a fault and bring it back?

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Cc: Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	will@kernel.org, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	ying.huang@intel.com, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:47:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190910144713.GF2063@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgT0Udr6nYQFTRzxLbXk41SiJ-pcT_bmN1j1YR4deCwdTOaUQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 10-09-19 07:42:43, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:42 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to review "mm: Introduce Reported pages" just realize that I
> > have no clue on what is going on so returned to the cover and it didn't
> > really help much. I am completely unfamiliar with virtio so please bear
> > with me.
> >
> > On Sat 07-09-19 10:25:03, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > [...]
> > > This series provides an asynchronous means of reporting to a hypervisor
> > > that a guest page is no longer in use and can have the data associated
> > > with it dropped. To do this I have implemented functionality that allows
> > > for what I am referring to as unused page reporting
> > >
> > > The functionality for this is fairly simple. When enabled it will allocate
> > > statistics to track the number of reported pages in a given free area.
> > > When the number of free pages exceeds this value plus a high water value,
> > > currently 32, it will begin performing page reporting which consists of
> > > pulling pages off of free list and placing them into a scatter list. The
> > > scatterlist is then given to the page reporting device and it will perform
> > > the required action to make the pages "reported", in the case of
> > > virtio-balloon this results in the pages being madvised as MADV_DONTNEED
> > > and as such they are forced out of the guest. After this they are placed
> > > back on the free list,
> >
> > And here I am reallly lost because "forced out of the guest" makes me
> > feel that those pages are no longer usable by the guest. So how come you
> > can add them back to the free list. I suspect understanding this part
> > will allow me to understand why we have to mark those pages and prevent
> > merging.
> 
> Basically as the paragraph above mentions "forced out of the guest"
> really is just the hypervisor calling MADV_DONTNEED on the page in
> question. So the behavior is the same as any userspace application
> that calls MADV_DONTNEED where the contents are no longer accessible
> from userspace and attempting to access them will result in a fault
> and the page being populated with a zero fill on-demand page, or a
> copy of the file contents if the memory is file backed.

As I've said I have no idea about virt so this doesn't really tell me
much. Does that mean that if somebody allocates such a page and tries to
access it then virt will handle a fault and bring it back?

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 241+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-07 17:25 [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \ Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 1/8] mm: Add per-cpu logic to page shuffling Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:14     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:11     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:11       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:11         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 22:14         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  9:07   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:07     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:12     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 2/8] mm: Adjust shuffle code to allow for future coalescing Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:19     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  9:47   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:47     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:22     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:35       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:35         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:37         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 17:00       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 17:00         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-10 12:20   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:20     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:48     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 3/8] mm: Move set/get_pcppage_migratetype to mmzone.h Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:22   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:22     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  9:56   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:56     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 18:01     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:23   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:23     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:46     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 17:45       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 17:45         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 20:26         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 4/8] mm: Use zone and order instead of free area in free_list manipulators Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:27   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:27     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 5/8] arm64: Move hugetlb related definitions out of pgtable.h to page-defs.h Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:52     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:27     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 17:48   ` Will Deacon
2019-09-17 17:48     ` Will Deacon
2019-09-17 20:07     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 6/8] mm: Introduce Reported pages Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 14:42   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 14:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 16:25     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 16:33         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-07 17:26 ` [PATCH v9 7/8] virtio-balloon: Pull page poisoning config out of free page hinting Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:59     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:31     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26 ` [PATCH v9 8/8] virtio-balloon: Add support for providing unused page reports to host Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34 ` [PATCH v9 0/8] mm / virtio: Provide support for unused page reporting Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:42 ` [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \ Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:42   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:42   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:47     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2019-09-10 14:47       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 16:05       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:18         ` [virtio-dev] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:18           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:18           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:22           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 16:22             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 16:22             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:23             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:23               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:23               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:50               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:50                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:50                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 17:52         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 17:52           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 18:00           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 18:00             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 20:37             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 11:36             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 11:36               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 11:47               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 11:47                 ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 11:47                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:08               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:08                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:25                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:42                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:42                       ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:42                       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:54                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:54                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:03                         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:03                           ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:03                           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:20                           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:20                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 16:09                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:09                                 ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:09                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:16                                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  7:16                                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  7:47                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:47                                     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:47                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  9:26                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  9:26                                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 12:00                                     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-12 12:00                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-12 12:00                                       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                             ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                               ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                               ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 16:02                             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:02                               ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:02                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:19                         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 13:19                           ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 13:19                           ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                         ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 15:12               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12  9:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  9:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 10:24                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-12 10:24                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-12 11:11                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 11:11                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 15:42                   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 16:35                   ` Mel Gorman
2019-09-12 16:35                     ` Mel Gorman
2019-09-12 17:48                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` Alexander Duyck

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