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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	will@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, "Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	ying.huang@intel.com, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:16:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190912071633.GL4023@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abea20a0-463c-68c0-e810-2e341d971b30@redhat.com>

On Wed 11-09-19 18:09:18, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 11.09.19 15:51, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 11-09-19 15:20:02, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> 4. Continuously report, not the "one time report everything" approach.
> >>
> >> So you mean the allocator reporting this rather than an external code to
> >> poll right? I do not know, how much this is nice to have than must have?
> > 
> > Another idea that I haven't really thought through so it might turned
> > out to be completely bogus but let's try anyway. Your "report everything"
> > just made me look and realize that free_pages_prepare already performs
> > stuff that actually does something similar yet unrelated.
> > 
> > We do report to special page poisoning, zeroying or
> > CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC to unmap the address from the kernel address
> > space. This sounds like something fitting your model no?
> > 
> 
> AFAIKS, the poisoning/unmapping is done whenever a page is freed. I
> don't quite see yet how that would help to remember if a page was
> already reported.

Do you still have to differ that state when each page is reported?

> After reporting the page we would have to switch some
> state (Nitesh: bitmap bit, Alexander: page flag) to identify that.

Yes, you can either store the state somewhere.

> Of course, we could map the page and treat that as "the state" when we
> reported it, but I am not sure that's such a good idea :)
> 
> As always, I might be very wrong ...

I still do not fully understand the usecase so I might be equally wrong.
My thinking is along these lines. Why should you scan free pages when
you can effectively capture each freed page? If you go one step further
then post_alloc_hook would be the counterpart to know that your page has
been allocated.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	will@kernel.org, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	ying.huang@intel.com,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:16:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190912071633.GL4023@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abea20a0-463c-68c0-e810-2e341d971b30@redhat.com>

On Wed 11-09-19 18:09:18, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 11.09.19 15:51, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 11-09-19 15:20:02, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> 4. Continuously report, not the "one time report everything" approach.
> >>
> >> So you mean the allocator reporting this rather than an external code to
> >> poll right? I do not know, how much this is nice to have than must have?
> > 
> > Another idea that I haven't really thought through so it might turned
> > out to be completely bogus but let's try anyway. Your "report everything"
> > just made me look and realize that free_pages_prepare already performs
> > stuff that actually does something similar yet unrelated.
> > 
> > We do report to special page poisoning, zeroying or
> > CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC to unmap the address from the kernel address
> > space. This sounds like something fitting your model no?
> > 
> 
> AFAIKS, the poisoning/unmapping is done whenever a page is freed. I
> don't quite see yet how that would help to remember if a page was
> already reported.

Do you still have to differ that state when each page is reported?

> After reporting the page we would have to switch some
> state (Nitesh: bitmap bit, Alexander: page flag) to identify that.

Yes, you can either store the state somewhere.

> Of course, we could map the page and treat that as "the state" when we
> reported it, but I am not sure that's such a good idea :)
> 
> As always, I might be very wrong ...

I still do not fully understand the usecase so I might be equally wrong.
My thinking is along these lines. Why should you scan free pages when
you can effectively capture each freed page? If you go one step further
then post_alloc_hook would be the counterpart to know that your page has
been allocated.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 241+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-07 17:25 [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \ Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 1/8] mm: Add per-cpu logic to page shuffling Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:14     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:11     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:11       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:11         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 22:14         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:14           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 22:11       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  9:07   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:07     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:12     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 2/8] mm: Adjust shuffle code to allow for future coalescing Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:19     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  9:47   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:47     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:22     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:35       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:35         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 15:37         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:37           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:43       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 17:00       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 17:00         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-10 12:20   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:20     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:48     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:48       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 3/8] mm: Move set/get_pcppage_migratetype to mmzone.h Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:22   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:22     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  9:56   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09  9:56     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 18:01     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:01       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 18:12         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:23   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:23     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:46     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:46       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 17:45       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 17:45         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 20:26         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:26           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 4/8] mm: Use zone and order instead of free area in free_list manipulators Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:27   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:27     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 5/8] arm64: Move hugetlb related definitions out of pgtable.h to page-defs.h Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:52     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:27     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:27       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 17:48   ` Will Deacon
2019-09-17 17:48     ` Will Deacon
2019-09-17 20:07     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-17 20:07       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25 ` [PATCH v9 6/8] mm: Introduce Reported pages Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:25   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 14:42   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 14:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 16:25     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:25       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 16:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-09 16:33         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-07 17:26 ` [PATCH v9 7/8] virtio-balloon: Pull page poisoning config out of free page hinting Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09  8:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:59     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09  8:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-09 15:31     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-09 15:31       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26 ` [PATCH v9 8/8] virtio-balloon: Add support for providing unused page reports to host Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:26   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34 ` [PATCH v9 0/8] mm / virtio: Provide support for unused page reporting Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-07 17:34   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 12:42 ` [PATCH v9 0/8] stg mail -e --version=v9 \ Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 12:42   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:42   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:42     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 14:47     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 14:47       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 16:05       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:05         ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 16:18         ` [virtio-dev] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:18           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:18           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-09-10 16:22           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 16:22             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 16:22             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:23             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:23               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:23               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11  9:50               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:50                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11  9:50                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-10 17:52         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 17:52           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 18:00           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 18:00             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-10 20:37             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 20:37               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23           ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-10 21:23             ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 11:36             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 11:36               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 11:47               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 11:47                 ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 11:47                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:08               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:08                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:08                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-09-11 12:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:25                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:42                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:42                       ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:42                       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 12:54                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 12:54                         ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:03                         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:03                           ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:03                           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:20                           ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:20                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 13:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-11 16:09                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:09                                 ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:09                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:16                                 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2019-09-12  7:16                                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  7:47                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:47                                     ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  7:47                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-12  9:26                                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  9:26                                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 12:00                                     ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-12 12:00                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-12 12:00                                       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                             ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                               ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 14:03                               ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 16:02                             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:02                               ` [virtio-dev] " David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 16:02                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-11 13:19                         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 13:19                           ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 13:19                           ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                       ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                         ` [virtio-dev] " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 12:55                         ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2019-09-11 15:12               ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-11 15:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12  9:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12  9:19                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 10:24                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-12 10:24                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2019-09-12 11:11                     ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 11:11                       ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-12 15:42                   ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 15:42                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 16:35                   ` Mel Gorman
2019-09-12 16:35                     ` Mel Gorman
2019-09-12 17:48                     ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` Alexander Duyck
2019-09-12 17:48                       ` Alexander Duyck

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