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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, berrange@redhat.com, stefanha@gmail.com,
	Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, antonios.motakis@huawei.com,
	dgilbert@redhat.com, Ian Kelling <iank@fsf.org>
Subject: Re: git format.from (was: 9p: Fix file ID collisions)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:36:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190924213638.GE20858@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3312839.Zbq2WQg2AT@silver>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:03:38AM +0200, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:

> > Yes, the resulting mail would be correct, in the sense that it could be
> > applied just fine by git-am. But I think it would be uglier. IOW, I
> > consider the presence of the in-body From to be a clue that something
> > interesting is going on (like forwarding somebody else's patch). So from
> > my perspective, it would just be useless noise. Other communities may
> > have different opinions, though (I think I have seen some kernel folks
> > always including all of the possible in-body headers, including Date).
> > But it seems like it makes sense to keep both possibilities.
> 
> Exactly, current git behaviour is solely "prettier" (at first thought only 
> though), but does not address anything useful in real life.

I wouldn't agree with that. By being pretty, it also is functionally
more useful (I can tell at a glance whether somebody is sending a patch
from another author).

> Current git behaviour does cause real life problems though: Many email lists 
> are munging emails of patch senders whose domain is configured for requiring 
> domain's emails being DKIM signed and/or being subject to SPF rules (a.k.a 
> DMARC). So original sender's From: header is then automatically replaced by an 
> alias (by e.g. mailman): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC#From:_rewriting
> 
> For instance the email header:
> 
> From: "Bob Bold" <bold@foo.com>
> 
> is automatically replaced by lists by something like
> 
> From: "Bob Bold via Somelist" <somelist@gnu.org>
> 
> And since git currently always drops the From: line from the email's body if
> sender == author, as a consequence maintainers applying patches from such 
> lists, always need to rewrite git history subsequently and have to replace 
> patch author's identity manually for each commit to have their correct, real 
> email address and real name in git history instead of something like
> "Bob Bold via Somelist" <somelist@gnu.org>
> 
> So what do you find "uglier"? I prefer key info not being lost as default 
> behaviour. :-)

Sure, for your list that munges From headers, always including an
in-body From is way better. But for those of us _not_ on such lists, I'd
much prefer not to force the in-body version on them.

-Peff

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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
Cc: berrange@redhat.com, stefanha@gmail.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>, Ian Kelling <iank@fsf.org>,
	dgilbert@redhat.com, antonios.motakis@huawei.com,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git format.from (was: 9p: Fix file ID collisions)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:36:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190924213638.GE20858@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3312839.Zbq2WQg2AT@silver>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:03:38AM +0200, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:

> > Yes, the resulting mail would be correct, in the sense that it could be
> > applied just fine by git-am. But I think it would be uglier. IOW, I
> > consider the presence of the in-body From to be a clue that something
> > interesting is going on (like forwarding somebody else's patch). So from
> > my perspective, it would just be useless noise. Other communities may
> > have different opinions, though (I think I have seen some kernel folks
> > always including all of the possible in-body headers, including Date).
> > But it seems like it makes sense to keep both possibilities.
> 
> Exactly, current git behaviour is solely "prettier" (at first thought only 
> though), but does not address anything useful in real life.

I wouldn't agree with that. By being pretty, it also is functionally
more useful (I can tell at a glance whether somebody is sending a patch
from another author).

> Current git behaviour does cause real life problems though: Many email lists 
> are munging emails of patch senders whose domain is configured for requiring 
> domain's emails being DKIM signed and/or being subject to SPF rules (a.k.a 
> DMARC). So original sender's From: header is then automatically replaced by an 
> alias (by e.g. mailman): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC#From:_rewriting
> 
> For instance the email header:
> 
> From: "Bob Bold" <bold@foo.com>
> 
> is automatically replaced by lists by something like
> 
> From: "Bob Bold via Somelist" <somelist@gnu.org>
> 
> And since git currently always drops the From: line from the email's body if
> sender == author, as a consequence maintainers applying patches from such 
> lists, always need to rewrite git history subsequently and have to replace 
> patch author's identity manually for each commit to have their correct, real 
> email address and real name in git history instead of something like
> "Bob Bold via Somelist" <somelist@gnu.org>
> 
> So what do you find "uglier"? I prefer key info not being lost as default 
> behaviour. :-)

Sure, for your list that munges From headers, always including an
in-body From is way better. But for those of us _not_ on such lists, I'd
much prefer not to force the in-body version on them.

-Peff


  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-24 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-22 19:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] 9p: Fix file ID collisions Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-22 19:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 1/4] 9p: Treat multiple devices on one export as an error Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-29 16:27   ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-01 17:38     ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-22 19:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 2/4] 9p: Added virtfs option 'multidevs=remap|forbid|warn' Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-29 16:55   ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-01 18:40     ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-02 10:16       ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-02 21:07         ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-30 12:22   ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-01 18:56     ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-02 11:49       ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-02 21:25         ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-22 19:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 3/4] 9p: stat_to_qid: implement slow path Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-22 19:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 4/4] 9p: Use variable length suffixes for inode remapping Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-08-22 22:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] 9p: Fix file ID collisions no-reply
2019-08-29 17:02   ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-01 19:28     ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-02 15:34       ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-02 22:29         ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-03 19:11           ` [Qemu-devel] DMARC/DKIM and qemu-devel list settings Ian Kelling
2019-09-04  8:13             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-04 14:19               ` Ian Kelling
2019-09-04 14:30             ` Peter Maydell
2019-09-09 11:47               ` Markus Armbruster
2019-09-10  7:23               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-09-03 19:38           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] 9p: Fix file ID collisions Eric Blake
2019-09-04 13:02             ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-05 12:25               ` Christian Schoenebeck via Qemu-devel
2019-09-05 12:59                 ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-23 11:27                   ` Christian Schoenebeck via
2019-09-09 14:05                 ` Eric Blake
2019-09-09 14:05                   ` Eric Blake
2019-09-09 14:25                   ` Jeff King
2019-09-09 14:25                     ` Jeff King
2019-09-23 11:19                     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2019-09-23 11:19                       ` Christian Schoenebeck via
2019-09-23 22:24                       ` Jeff King
2019-09-23 22:24                         ` Jeff King
2019-09-24  9:03                         ` git format.from (was: 9p: Fix file ID collisions) Christian Schoenebeck
2019-09-24  9:03                           ` Christian Schoenebeck via
2019-09-24 21:36                           ` Jeff King [this message]
2019-09-24 21:36                             ` Jeff King
2019-09-09 18:41                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] 9p: Fix file ID collisions Junio C Hamano
2019-09-09 18:41                     ` Junio C Hamano

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