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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Linux Filesystem Development List 
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] writeback: avoid double-writing the inode on a lazytime expiration
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:07:17 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200312000716.GY10737@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200311125749.GA7159@mit.edu>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 08:57:49AM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 08:20:09PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > Thanks Ted!  This fixes the fscrypt test failure.
> > 
> > However, are you sure this works correctly on all filesystems?  I'm not sure
> > about XFS.  XFS only implements ->dirty_inode(), not ->write_inode(), and in its
> > ->dirty_inode() it does:
>   ...
> > 		if (flag != I_DIRTY_SYNC || !(inode->i_state & I_DIRTY_TIME))
> > 			return;
> 
> That's true, but when the timestamps were originally modified,
> dirty_inode() will be called with flag == I_DIRTY_TIME, which will
> *not* be a no-op; which is to say, XFS will force the timestamps to be
> updated on disk when the timestamps are first dirtied, because it
> doesn't support I_DIRTY_TIME.

We log the initial timestamp change, and then ignore timestamp
updates until the dirty time expires and the inode is set
I_DIRTY_SYNC via __mark_inode_dirty_sync(). IOWs, on expiry, we have
time stamps that may be 24 hours out of date in memory, and they
still need to be flushed to the journal.

However, your change does not mark the inode dirtying on expiry
anymore, so...

> So I think we're fine.

... we're not fine. This breaks XFS and any other filesystem that
relies on a I_DIRTY_SYNC notification to handle dirty time expiry
correctly.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Linux Filesystem Development List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] writeback: avoid double-writing the inode on a lazytime expiration
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:07:17 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200312000716.GY10737@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200311125749.GA7159@mit.edu>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 08:57:49AM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 08:20:09PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > Thanks Ted!  This fixes the fscrypt test failure.
> > 
> > However, are you sure this works correctly on all filesystems?  I'm not sure
> > about XFS.  XFS only implements ->dirty_inode(), not ->write_inode(), and in its
> > ->dirty_inode() it does:
>   ...
> > 		if (flag != I_DIRTY_SYNC || !(inode->i_state & I_DIRTY_TIME))
> > 			return;
> 
> That's true, but when the timestamps were originally modified,
> dirty_inode() will be called with flag == I_DIRTY_TIME, which will
> *not* be a no-op; which is to say, XFS will force the timestamps to be
> updated on disk when the timestamps are first dirtied, because it
> doesn't support I_DIRTY_TIME.

We log the initial timestamp change, and then ignore timestamp
updates until the dirty time expires and the inode is set
I_DIRTY_SYNC via __mark_inode_dirty_sync(). IOWs, on expiry, we have
time stamps that may be 24 hours out of date in memory, and they
still need to be flushed to the journal.

However, your change does not mark the inode dirtying on expiry
anymore, so...

> So I think we're fine.

... we're not fine. This breaks XFS and any other filesystem that
relies on a I_DIRTY_SYNC notification to handle dirty time expiry
correctly.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com


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  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-12  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-06  0:45 lazytime causing inodes to remain dirty after sync? Eric Biggers
2020-03-06  0:45 ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-03-07  2:00 ` [PATCH] writeback: avoid double-writing the inode on a lazytime expiration Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-07  2:00   ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-11  3:20   ` Eric Biggers
2020-03-11  3:20     ` [f2fs-dev] " Eric Biggers
2020-03-11 12:57     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-11 12:57       ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-12  0:07       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2020-03-12  0:07         ` Dave Chinner
2020-03-12 14:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-12 14:34           ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-12 22:39           ` Dave Chinner
2020-03-12 22:39             ` [f2fs-dev] " Dave Chinner
2020-03-20  2:46           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-20  2:46             ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-20  2:52             ` [PATCH 1/2] " Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-20  2:52               ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-20  2:52               ` [PATCH 2/2] writeback, xfs: call dirty_inode() with I_DIRTY_TIME_EXPIRED when appropriate Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-20  2:52                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Ts'o
2020-03-23 17:58                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-23 17:58                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-24  8:37                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-24  8:37                     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-24 18:43                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-24 18:43                       ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-25  9:20               ` [PATCH 1/2] writeback: avoid double-writing the inode on a lazytime expiration Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-25  9:20                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-25 15:21                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-25 15:21                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-03-25 15:47                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-03-25 15:47                     ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong
2020-03-11 23:54     ` [PATCH] " Dave Chinner
2020-03-11 23:54       ` [f2fs-dev] " Dave Chinner

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