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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, tiwai@suse.de, broonie@kernel.org,
	Daniel Matuschek <daniel@hifiberry.com>,
	Matthias Reichl <hias@horus.com>,
	Hui Wang <hui.wang@canonical.com>,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <bgolaszewski@baylibre.com>,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/16] ASoC: pcm512x: use "sclk" string to retrieve clock
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:10:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415151042.GO185537@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84cfd063-55d4-2e07-89ba-c03cbe856b6d@linux.intel.com>

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 09:19:10AM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> On 4/15/20 4:52 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:54:25PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> > > On 4/14/20 12:11 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 02:58:27PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> > > > > Using devm_clk_get() with a NULL string fails on ACPI platforms, use
> > > > > the "sclk" string as a fallback.
> > > > 
> > > > This is fishy a bit.
> > > 
> > > I didn't find a single example where we use a NULL string in ACPI cases?
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > > If no, why not simple switch to devm_clk_get_optional()?
> > > 
> > > Not sure what that would change?
> > 
> > Hmm... Who is the provider of this clock?
> 
> Well, at the hardware level, the clock is provided by two local oscillators
> controlled by the codec GPIOs. So you could consider that the codec is both
> the provider and consumer of the clock.

Is it internal component to the codec or discrete (outside of codec chip)?
I bet it is the latter. Thus, codec is not provider. Board, where this
configuration is used, *is* provider of the clock(s).

> In the Linux world, the PCM512x codec driver creates a gpiochip. And the clk
> driver uses the gpios to expose a clk used by the PCM512x codec driver.

Yeah, hardware cyclic dependency :-)

> I am not fully happy with this design because it creates a double dependency
> which makes it impossible to remove modules. But I don't know how to model
> it otherwise.

I guess it should be clock provider which uses GPIO as a parameter to switch
clock rates, and codec driver, which provides GPIO chip and instantiates
(after) the clock provider instance. One module or several, is an
implementation detail.

> But to go back to your question, the two parts are really joined at the hip
> since the same gpios exposed by one is used by the other.

I got it, thanks for explanation.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org, tiwai@suse.de,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Matuschek <daniel@hifiberry.com>,
	Hui Wang <hui.wang@canonical.com>,
	Matthias Reichl <hias@horus.com>,
	broonie@kernel.org,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <bgolaszewski@baylibre.com>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/16] ASoC: pcm512x: use "sclk" string to retrieve clock
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:10:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415151042.GO185537@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84cfd063-55d4-2e07-89ba-c03cbe856b6d@linux.intel.com>

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 09:19:10AM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> On 4/15/20 4:52 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:54:25PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> > > On 4/14/20 12:11 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 02:58:27PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> > > > > Using devm_clk_get() with a NULL string fails on ACPI platforms, use
> > > > > the "sclk" string as a fallback.
> > > > 
> > > > This is fishy a bit.
> > > 
> > > I didn't find a single example where we use a NULL string in ACPI cases?
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > > If no, why not simple switch to devm_clk_get_optional()?
> > > 
> > > Not sure what that would change?
> > 
> > Hmm... Who is the provider of this clock?
> 
> Well, at the hardware level, the clock is provided by two local oscillators
> controlled by the codec GPIOs. So you could consider that the codec is both
> the provider and consumer of the clock.

Is it internal component to the codec or discrete (outside of codec chip)?
I bet it is the latter. Thus, codec is not provider. Board, where this
configuration is used, *is* provider of the clock(s).

> In the Linux world, the PCM512x codec driver creates a gpiochip. And the clk
> driver uses the gpios to expose a clk used by the PCM512x codec driver.

Yeah, hardware cyclic dependency :-)

> I am not fully happy with this design because it creates a double dependency
> which makes it impossible to remove modules. But I don't know how to model
> it otherwise.

I guess it should be clock provider which uses GPIO as a parameter to switch
clock rates, and codec driver, which provides GPIO chip and instantiates
(after) the clock provider instance. One module or several, is an
implementation detail.

> But to go back to your question, the two parts are really joined at the hip
> since the same gpios exposed by one is used by the other.

I got it, thanks for explanation.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-15 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-09 19:58 [RFC PATCH 00/16] ASoC/SOF/clk/gpio/dt: add Hifiberry DAC+ PRO support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] ASoC: pcm512x: expose 6 GPIOs Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:09   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:09     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:52     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:52       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15  9:49       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15  9:49         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-16 11:42     ` Linus Walleij
2020-04-16 11:42       ` Linus Walleij
2020-04-16 14:25       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-16 14:25         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] ASoC: pcm512x: use "sclk" string to retrieve clock Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:11   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:11     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:54     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:54       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15  9:52       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15  9:52         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15 14:19         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 14:19           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 15:10           ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2020-04-15 15:10             ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:45   ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 17:45     ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 18:14     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:14       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:27       ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 18:27         ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 19:15         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 19:15           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 19:50           ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 19:50             ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 20:13             ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 20:13               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 21:02               ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 21:02                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 11:07                 ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 11:07                   ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 11:36               ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 11:36                 ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 14:44                 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 14:44                   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 16:22                   ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 16:22                     ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 17:26                     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 17:26                       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 19:50                       ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 19:50                         ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 20:22                         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 20:22                           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 20:39                           ` Mark Brown
2020-04-15 20:39                             ` Mark Brown
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] ASoC: Intel: sof-pcm512x: use gpiod for LED Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:17   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:17     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:52     ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 17:52       ` Mark Brown
2020-04-14 17:57     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:57       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15  9:51       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15  9:51         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] ASoC: Intel: sof-pcm512x: detect Hifiberry DAC+ PRO Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:20   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:20     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 18:02     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:02       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15  9:55       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15  9:55         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15 14:07         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 14:07           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 15:05           ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15 15:05             ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] ASoC: Intel: sof-pcm512x: reconfigure sclk in hw_params if needed Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:24   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:24     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 18:06     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:06       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] ASoC: Intel: sof-pcm512x: select HIFIBERRY_DACPRO clk Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: initial import Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:31   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:31     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 18:09     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:09       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-15 10:00       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-15 10:00         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: update SDPX/copyright Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: style cleanups, use devm_ Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: add OF dependency Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: transition to _hw functions Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: add ACPI support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22  9:32   ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22  9:32     ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22  9:47     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-22  9:47       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-22  9:54     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22  9:54       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22 20:52       ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22 20:52         ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22 21:08         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22 21:08           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: add "sclk" lookup Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22  9:35   ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22  9:35     ` Stephen Boyd
2020-04-22  9:51     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22  9:51       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-22 11:54       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-22 11:54         ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: toggle GPIOs on prepare/unprepare Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] clk: hifiberry-dacpro: add delay on clock prepare/deprepare Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] ASoC: dt-bindings: add document for Hifiberry DAC+ PRO clock Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-09 19:58   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 17:27   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 17:27     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 18:10     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 18:10       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] ASoC/SOF/clk/gpio/dt: add Hifiberry DAC+ PRO support Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 16:50   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-14 16:57   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2020-04-14 16:57     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart

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