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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Peilin Ye <yepeilin.cs@gmail.com>,
	Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@oracle.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-kernel-mentees@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	rds-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-kernel-mentees] [PATCH net] rds: Prevent kernel-infoleak in rds_notify_queue_get()
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:21:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200731142148.GA1718799@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200731140452.GE24045@ziepe.ca>

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:04:52AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:33:33AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:33:06AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:53:01AM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 03:20:26PM -0400, Peilin Ye wrote:
> > > > > rds_notify_queue_get() is potentially copying uninitialized kernel stack
> > > > > memory to userspace since the compiler may leave a 4-byte hole at the end
> > > > > of `cmsg`.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2016 we tried to fix this issue by doing `= { 0 };` on `cmsg`, which
> > > > > unfortunately does not always initialize that 4-byte hole. Fix it by using
> > > > > memset() instead.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, this is the difference between "{ 0 }" and "{}" initializations.
> > > 
> > > Really?  Neither will handle structures with holes in it, try it and
> > > see.
> > 
> > And if true, where in the C spec does it say that?
> 
> The spec was updated in C11 to require zero'ing padding when doing
> partial initialization of aggregates (eg = {})
> 
> """if it is an aggregate, every member is initialized (recursively)
> according to these rules, and any padding is initialized to zero
> bits;"""

But then why does the compilers not do this?

> The difference between {0} and the {} extension is only that {}
> reliably triggers partial initialization for all kinds of aggregates,
> while {0} has a number of edge cases where it can fail to compile.
> 
> IIRC gcc has cleared the padding during aggregate initialization for a
> long time.

Huh?  Last we checked a few months ago, no, it did not do that.

> Considering we have thousands of aggregate initializers it
> seems likely to me Linux also requires a compiler with this C11
> behavior to operate correctly.

Note that this is not an "operate correctly" thing, it is a "zero out
stale data in structure paddings so that data will not leak to
userspace" thing.

> Does this patch actually fix anything? My compiler generates identical
> assembly code in either case.

What compiler version?

thanks,

greg k-h

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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: rds-devel@oss.oracle.com, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel-mentees@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Peilin Ye <yepeilin.cs@gmail.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Linux-kernel-mentees] [PATCH net] rds: Prevent kernel-infoleak in rds_notify_queue_get()
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:21:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200731142148.GA1718799@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200731140452.GE24045@ziepe.ca>

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:04:52AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:33:33AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:33:06AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:53:01AM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 03:20:26PM -0400, Peilin Ye wrote:
> > > > > rds_notify_queue_get() is potentially copying uninitialized kernel stack
> > > > > memory to userspace since the compiler may leave a 4-byte hole at the end
> > > > > of `cmsg`.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2016 we tried to fix this issue by doing `= { 0 };` on `cmsg`, which
> > > > > unfortunately does not always initialize that 4-byte hole. Fix it by using
> > > > > memset() instead.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, this is the difference between "{ 0 }" and "{}" initializations.
> > > 
> > > Really?  Neither will handle structures with holes in it, try it and
> > > see.
> > 
> > And if true, where in the C spec does it say that?
> 
> The spec was updated in C11 to require zero'ing padding when doing
> partial initialization of aggregates (eg = {})
> 
> """if it is an aggregate, every member is initialized (recursively)
> according to these rules, and any padding is initialized to zero
> bits;"""

But then why does the compilers not do this?

> The difference between {0} and the {} extension is only that {}
> reliably triggers partial initialization for all kinds of aggregates,
> while {0} has a number of edge cases where it can fail to compile.
> 
> IIRC gcc has cleared the padding during aggregate initialization for a
> long time.

Huh?  Last we checked a few months ago, no, it did not do that.

> Considering we have thousands of aggregate initializers it
> seems likely to me Linux also requires a compiler with this C11
> behavior to operate correctly.

Note that this is not an "operate correctly" thing, it is a "zero out
stale data in structure paddings so that data will not leak to
userspace" thing.

> Does this patch actually fix anything? My compiler generates identical
> assembly code in either case.

What compiler version?

thanks,

greg k-h
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-31 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-30 19:20 [Linux-kernel-mentees] [PATCH net] rds: Prevent kernel-infoleak in rds_notify_queue_get() Peilin Ye
2020-07-30 19:20 ` Peilin Ye
2020-07-30 19:29 ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-07-30 19:29   ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-07-31  4:53 ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-07-31  4:53   ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-07-31  5:33   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31  5:33     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31  5:33     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31  5:33       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31  6:29       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-31  7:00         ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-07-31  7:00           ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-07-31  7:05           ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-31  7:05             ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-31 14:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 14:04         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 14:21         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2020-07-31 14:21           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31 14:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 14:36             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 17:19             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31 17:19               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31 18:27               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 18:27                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-01  8:00                 ` Dan Carpenter
2020-08-01  8:00                   ` Dan Carpenter
2020-08-01 14:40                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-01 14:40                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-03  9:34                     ` Dan Carpenter
2020-08-03  9:34                       ` Dan Carpenter
2020-08-01  5:38               ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-01  5:38                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-02 22:10                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-02 22:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-02 22:23                   ` Joe Perches
2020-08-02 22:23                     ` Joe Perches
2020-08-02 22:28                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-02 22:28                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-02 22:45                       ` Joe Perches
2020-08-02 22:45                         ` Joe Perches
2020-08-03  4:58                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-03  4:58                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-03 23:06                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-03 23:06                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-08 22:57                           ` Jack Leadford
2020-08-08 22:57                             ` Jack Leadford
2020-08-09  7:04                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-09  7:04                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2020-08-14 17:07                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-08-14 17:07                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31  6:31   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-31  9:59   ` Dan Carpenter
2020-07-31  9:59     ` Dan Carpenter
2020-07-31 11:14     ` Håkon Bugge
2020-07-31 11:14       ` Håkon Bugge
2020-07-31 11:59       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31 11:59         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-31 12:03         ` Håkon Bugge
2020-07-31 12:03           ` Håkon Bugge
2020-07-31 23:54 ` David Miller
2020-07-31 23:54   ` David Miller

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